Do ex-jw's REALLY care about JW's?

If you read my answer at:

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ag...

you will see that it addresses some key points in your question.

@ Grey Tower: you say, "I don't have a "new faith" and "Nobody will be saved by belonging to an organisation." If that is so, then why did the Apostle Paul give the following counsel?

1 Corinthians 1:10: "Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."

Hebrews 10:24,25: "And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near."

Hebrews 13:17: "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you."

Acts 20:28: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son]."

Philippians 2:14,15: "Keep doing all things free from murmurings and arguments, that you may come to be blameless and innocent, children of God without a blemish in among a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you are shining as illuminators in the world."

I could go on and on, but these few scriptures all highlight the error of your thinking that you can operate outside of an organization and somehow still follow those leadings, which, when all said and done, have been made under God's inspiration. [2 Tim.3:16]

As I said in my answer referred to above, if JWs listened to all the naysayers on y!a, who would there be to fulfill Jesus' prophecy at Matthew 24:14: "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come"?

The truth of the matter is that there would be no one, because it is ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that are doing so, on a global scale.

People like Grey Tower and others are willing to denounce JWs but typically show themselves to be utterly devoid of demonstrating any responsibility to fulfill Jesus' prophecy themselves, as their answers show.

To justify their not doing so by poking holes in the beliefs of JWs cuts no ice with Jehovah God or Jesus Christ. Their stance would be as Jesus responded to Peter concerning John, at John 21:22: "Of what concern is that to you? You continue following me," and, as Jesus showed, that includes FULFILLING his command at Matt.28:19,20 and his prophecy at Matt 24:14.

@mhpbwy: you say about your friend "being dis fellow shipped for having a blood transfusion." That is not correct. One cannot be disfellowshipped for having a blood transfusion. That is a matter between that person and Jehovah God.

@ Unsilenced Lioness: I see you are still asking questions directed at JWs but then blocking them from answering. So much for your ethics.

Ex Jws International

Not a jw but concern of the naive jws who still buys the flyers and continue the distribution door to door. The money goes to the pocket of that old businessmen in bethel temple??

It's not hate against the person because you have no ideal unless you have been there. They are trained to reject and label you as satan if you leave them. When you expose satans lies in there organization they react hatefully. If they were told to harm you through the watchtower or awake magazines they would. God's headquarters is not in New York but within you and also more than 144,000 Will go to Heaven not just that number. No rant or raving. I pray for them always that they will break free but it is there choose. An example is that one day three jw's came to my door and when they found out I was an ex-jw they ran instead of trying to find the lost sheep as Jesus commanded. There leaders are like Jim Jones and there followers do what the watchtower says instead of what the True Bible says. If anyone of them came to me and needed money,food, or bill to be paid and I would try to help them with the resources I have to spare. n

No matter how many times they try to fool themselves and others by saying so, no they do not. Obviously they have little if any love in their heart. They stop serving the Most High God "Jehovah" and they now want to drag others after themselves. Just like the Devil Satan, who is allowed to real the earth right now, but not for long.

2 Cor 4:1-5 4

That is why, since we have this ministry according to the mercy that was shown us, we do not give up; 2 but we have renounced the underhanded things of which to be ashamed, not walking with cunning, neither adulterating the word of God, but by making the truth manifest recommending ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God. 3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god* of this system of things has blinded the minds* of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news+ about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5 For we are preaching, not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as YOUR slaves for Jesus’ sake

Yes, this is a good point, one I think they may not realize.

If people come out, get out of a ...let's say a hell-hole...(analogy they would think

is true), then ALL they want to do is get others OUT of there.

And you're right, what happens after that???

You're thinking ahead here, and they aren't realizing that most who come out

have to come out TO something.

So, it SHOULD be, the way I see it is explaining what the bible does say,

and showing why they need to believe in what it says, and then

listing a few churches that do follow that (whether they do it ALL,

they do some main things).

I think they need to do both, though. Because people tend not to see or

hear unless it goes right to the point.

I'd first address what is wrong, and then discuss what is right, and

why that is. Then tell people they can heal from it.

The stronger the cult, the bond, the more damaging it is to get out,

and to cope afterwards. Kind of like the 'moonies' how that was,

and how that fell apart.

difficult step try searching into a search engine this could help

I was raised as a JW. It was the worst aspect of my childhood. I would very much like the JW Church to fail. That would be of enormous benefit to its members. Jehovah's Witnesses offer nothing beyond nightmares about Armageddon, social isolation, duff prophecy, deaths through refusal of blood, family breakup through their shunning edicts and protection of pedophiles. I find it absurd that those who have never been inside the organisation seek to defend them in any way. Their concern will not be reciprocated. The central and defining obsession of Jehovah's Witnesses is the imminence of Armageddon. This is proclaimed as a murderous orgy by their Jehovah who will kill all who do not conform to every edict issued by the Jehovah's Witness bosses in Brooklyn. It is tragic, certainly, that so many lives and minds are possessed by this thoroughly negative and destructive organisation. Many members, no doubt, would feel bereft and confused were their alma mater no more. This is no reason to cease exposing the horrors of the JW outfit. There may be, for example, many Ku Klux Klan and Al Qaedr devotees who have developed an emotional need to belong to their perverse club. That is no reason, however, not to wish these scourges and obscenities were consigned to history's dustbin.

I'm not a ex-JW and neither do I agree with every former members comments on this forum. Many JWs leave the organization for different reasons either to go back to their secular lifestyles or even to join another sect of christianity which is just as unorthodox in its teachings as the watchtower society's is.

Personally for me, when I read of a ex-JW who gives a testimony on how they have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal saviour by believing that he died for their sins then this gives me great encouragement to share with JWs the salvation gospel (1Cor 15:1-4, Acts 20:24, Rom 10:9-10, and Rom 10:9-10 )

JWs can either agree or disagree with me but my only hope is that they will search the holy scriptures for their answers only ( Acts 17:11 and 2Tim 3:15-16 )

God does love the JWs but they must acknowledge this through his son Jesus Christ and accept what he did for them and not what they can do for him to get saved ( John 3:16, Rom 4:4-5, 5:8, and Tit 3:5 )

I'm an enlightened,recently awakened JW.

I was raised up a Witness and baptised as a young teen...I therefore did not have a good opportunity to scrutinize the beliefs and history of the religion with a mature mind and the information control by the Watchtower did not help.

I therefore greatly appreciate the efforts of ex JWs like Ray Franz ,Paul Grundy of JWFACTS.COM and others.

I know myself well enough to know that if I had I'd been an adult with the information I now have, I wouldn't become a JW.

Jehovah's Witnesses encourage other people to scrutinize their beliefs but don't scrutinize their own.

Ex JWs don't need to show people which way to go or even to leave the Watchtower. ..all they need is to give the information that the Watchtower keeps hidden from followers and potential recruits.

Once informed,a person can make their informed decision or chart their way forward.

Jesus is the only way and he promised the Holy Spirit as helper,not any organisation

Meh, I'm not one of those ex-Witnesses.

I've studied cult conditioning enough to know that the vast majority of Witnesses that post here aren't in the mind frame of looking for truth. They are here to find new converts and/or do damage control on ex-Witness posts.

Is it possible for a Witness to have their eyes opened up to what they are involved in by a post they read here? Yup.

Likely? Not a chance.

I comment and post questions to create awareness of the Watchtower's deceptive tactics. My presence here is to help those that want help. The vast majority of Witnesses don't want help and that is fine. Witness doctrine does not hold up well to scrutiny, that is the real reason Witnesses want ex-members to go away.

I have helped many people that have contacted me and that is fulfilling.

In all, I am not a negative person. If someone posts something negative about the Watchtower that is incorrect, I will point it out. If I am so eager to vilify the Watchtower that I accept any negative comment as truth without checking it out, I am no better than a Witness parroting Watchtower propaganda.

I will confess a guilty pleasure in triggering cult conditioning in Witnesses though. Witnesses are so adamant that they are not a cult, they won't research actual brainwashing techniques and personality conditioning. So it is funny to flip a cult trigger and watch them act out the conditioning. Like an personal internet puppet show. :)