Have Jehovah's Witnesses received any "new light" on when the 144,000 will be sealed?

I think the key expression is "memorial partakers". You are talking like its an established fact amoung jw's that all these partakers ARE genuine members of the 144,000. That simply isn't the case. No one knows for certain if EVERY partaker is definitely of the anointed class. None of the articles contradict each other. The simply point out that those who are of the anointed are likely to have been chosen. The number of "partakers" going up has no significant bearing on those statements.

*edit* "resounding silence"? I guess you chose to ignore my answer as it addressed the specifics of your question.

Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

This clearly shows that none of the 144000 have died to this time, they are all still alive on earth together in need of protection from the coming troubles.

The JW's would have you believe these 144000 are all JW's and these people will rule from heaven as kings with Christ. Yet they claim that all the detailed descriptions of the 144000 are just symbolic. Therefore they want you to believe there are 12000 symbolic men from 12 symbolic tribes which make up 144000 literal people?????

I can only assume that they will agree with 12 crates each containing 12000 apples equals 144000 oranges.

They also use some other logic that as the number of 144000 is a definite number and the Great Crowd is not a definite number the 144,000 is logically a literal number, yet when you show that 12 tribes of 12000 in each tribe are also definite numbers they reject their logic only in that part of the equation.

The society understood in 1935 that the number of the 144000 still alive would equate to the total number of 144000 and the number would then start to die off, but as the number has continued to grow and proved there are many claiming a false situation [including the society] they needed to change their teachings on the matter again, then again.

Today they blame the extra numbers on people just imaging they are of the 144000 just like the 250000 that were part of the 144000 before them.

Next thing you know they will be siting a parable as a direction for them to be some sort of faithful slave that gives God's word as needed but gets it wrong all the time.

The most astounding 'new light' is the complete abandoning of their 'faithful and discreet slave class' doctrine. For almost 100 years the Watchtower taught that Jesus parable of the 'faithful slave' applied to the entire remnant of the 144,000 still alive on earth. And it was this remnant of thousands of anointed christians that were the actual 'faithful and discreet slave' that would feed the domestics. Or as the Watchtower interprets the parable to mean: all the information published in Watchtower literature "proper food" emanated from this remnant class of people.

The current governing body members could never give a serious answer as to, why if this vast world wide class of 'faithful slave' was not ever consulted or even petitioned for 'food' and only a select few men in New York, ie:Bethel headquarters, ever in those 100 years of 'truth' were the only ones writing and feeding. So these young gb members have now changed the doctrine to make a meager attempt as addressing what everyone knew to be one of the most flagrant religious doctrinal sham ever pulled over the eyes of adherent's.

At least now they are admitting how silly that doctrine was, when anyone who observed the actual functioning of the so-called faithful slave, knew what the REAL truth was, even if they were want not to admit it.

To bad it took them 100 years to admit the vast deception!

I can't believe the answer that PraiseJahYouPeople gave you. This is so far from being a Christian answer. Name calling, threats but no answer to the question. You ask a legitimate question and give proper background and then he/she answers you like this. If this is their example of their religion, I am so glad I am not in it.

For your question, I am not a JW and never have been nor will I ever be one, so I can't answer for them but if history can speak for them if they have not received an update, they will. This religion does not even resemble itself for when it first started. For an organization that is supposedly chosen By God and being led by the Holy Spirit or I should say holy spirit their history is so full of mistakes, and redo's and new light, old light, new truths, old truths... I think they do have new light insomuch as they have had so many flip flops and changes. Their differences are as different as day and night within their own doctrines. This is where I think they get their new light from, not from the Bible but by their own mistakes, which are so many.

Wow, this is a really good question. I've thought about this throughout the last few years, and it makes no sense to me. I can't understand how this is such a unified religion, yet they change their doctrine every year.

Looks like a lot of resurrected witnesses will be very divided between what they died believing as 'truth', and what they'll be resurrected into as 'truth'. Irony.

I have some light. Revelation 7

The 144,000

4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,

6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand,

from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand,

from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,

7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand,

from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand,

from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand,

from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand,

from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

A missionary corps of redeemed Jews who are instrumental in the salvation of many Jews and Gentiles during the Tribulation (vv. 9-17). They will be the firstfruits of a new redeemed Israel (v.4, Zech. 12:10). Finally, Israel will be the witness nation she refused to be in the OT.

By sovereign election, God will seal 12000 from each of the 12 tribes, promising His protection while they accomplish their mission.

MIMI

I think I was telling them that the 144, 000 wouldn't be apparent until Israel was reconstituted, not just with the Jews of the southern kingdom, but also with the northern tribes (Ezekiel 37, Revelation 12). But I don't think they want that knowledge.

They are misled, nothing to that Their hope should be in Jesus him only. For he said " I am the way the truth and the light."

Some people change their socks less that Witness teaching!

Great point!

There are 100 things JWs can't cogently explain about their false prophecies

and doctrinal scandals .

This harmful cult has been disproved by history over and over .

Its hilarious they are just making things up as they go along .

Its so easy to see.

Just step back from it . Clear your head . Engage critical thinking skills .

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