Gracie Muscle Memory Trained Incorrectly?

I don't disagree with your line of thought which is why as a traditionalist in TMA my students were not just required to learn the style, and its techniques and doing them at a certain level but also their practical application. In addition to that other aspects were incorporated into their training and promotion requirements and all my students learned how to throw and use a jab for instance. I also incorporated other aspects long before MMA came along like how to sprawl and defend against take-downs as well as taught the Judo method of falling along with ways of countering and blocking the more common types of throws in Judo and jujitsu.

Ground fighting was also taught and how a person could stay on the ground and best defend themselves as well as more safely get up and even take downs on your opponent while you still being on the ground were also taught. Having originally studied Judo as a child and wrestled in high school I saw a need for these types of skills also for my students. That was reinforced by one my noted Japanese karate instructors who often said that to wrestle a wrestler or allow yourself to be taken down would greatly reduce your effectiveness as a fighter in stand-up fighting. The above was one of the things that separated myself and my student's from others was my approach to all this that initially brought some criticism from the stand-up community in TMA but later was recognized by many as also being needed.

There are still instructors and schools today that won't or can't teach the above or take the approach I did for a multitude of reasons. However there are also those that have modified their approach to things in order to produce a more well rounded, capable student now especially with the advent of MMA.

@Shadam first off jkd is NOT mma, bruce lee is not the father of mma, the concept of mixing styles has been around for thousands of years it is not knew, bruce lee never agreed with competition fighting.

you know nothing about jkd what you know is the bs people claim to know about jkd.

pugpaws actually trained under one of bruces students and would tell you the same thing jkd is not mma.

you only read his books like your friends. as for joe rogue he is a joke he cant even kick. and knows crap about martial arts, he is just the parrot of dana who knows even less

and yes bruces book tthe one his wife put together after his death. i often wonder how much she changed in that book.

kw is nothing but a troll wanting to start an argument. all he posts is one sided videos and spreads lies, he has little to no real experience.

i never had to gauge a persons eyes out in a fight. when we use to train we had no mats we trained on a concrete floor when you hit it wrong you broke something

we did build a floor once out of tires some 2x4 and wood we found around. we dont only do striking we do grappling as well as stand up and ground we even do grappling with weapons.

we also have been cross training long before mma was even around.

why is it you never see mma practicing on bleachers or stairwells, on frozen lakes and in the snow or in the water. no they only practices on nice cushy mats in a ring, ya like lots of street fights take place on level soft ground.

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i think it is.

he likes to use mma when it suits his needs but then ignores it when it doenst any more. like in his wing chun rants. shawn obasi successful uses wing chin yet kw constantly ignores this fact.

or like the fact he says only mma has this so called alive train and claims all mma has it. but then when confronted with proof that not all mma does and some have bad training has it he ignores it.

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taia dit, you have no concept of the purpose of stances do you. and btw there is no such thing as an mma stance. that so called mma stance i used back in 1978, so how is it an mma stance if it was in karate and tma long before mma was a though?

if you dont understand stance taia dits then you should not comment on them.

and tai dits learn to spell properly little 12 year old girl, english is my third language what is your excuse

may be when you grow up you might understand martial arts. if you ever do little girl until then go back to your barbie dolls.

and btw taia dits, tma was doing that type of training long before it was called aliveness, that is only the latest phase used by wannabe mma fan boys like you.

if a school advertise mma and doesnt have aliveness training it is still an mma school. just because you dont want iot to be does not make it so

edit:> i do agree with you on that point jkd

First of all, Billy, go home. The Gracie challenges are not fake. Leave. Second, the purpose of them doing that is to show that they didn't need strikes to beat opponents. They wanted to convey the point that adding grappling to your system could be beneficial. The Gracies back then DID know striking (not that they were masters of it or anything) from their Japanese Jujitsu training from Mitsuyo Maeda. The "slapping" isn't part of Gracie Jiu-jitsu, it's just there to demonstrate that they hardly have to do anything in order to win a fight. Also, the way the Gracies train today are a bit different than the way other BJJers train today. GJJ and BJJ are actually pretty different now and if you think otherwise, then you've obviously never trained in either style. There's benefits to both of the training methods.

@Kokoru: Shawn Obasi comes in his fights wit ha Wing Chun stance, then instantly switches to using MMA in most of his fights. There's not a Wing Chun principle in sight in his fights. Also, MMA trained correctly has aliveness. If you see an MMA school without aliveness or full contact sparring, it's an OBVIOUS fake!

Dude I have no idea what you are ranting on about? What is it that you are trying to say?

@shadam

Yeah I agree. JKD does not equal MMA. Had JKD been MMA then there never would have been something called MMA.

If you;re interested in competing in MMA, I suggest Gracie Jiu-jitsu. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the foundation of BJJ, but in either scenario, it is generally the fighter and not the style, especially because these 2 styles are similar.

EDIT: Loads of Crap.

jkd = mma. im 21 and ummm ya it is kjkd would explain this to you if he was still here. bruce lee basically tryed to invent mma with his jkd. k i guess your a grown man who knows less then a "kid"

i never said he invented mma i said what jkd is is mma. and ya your real tuff online come say that in pittsburgh. i know ppl who do jkd i study bruce lee so idk what else to say but come try me since you talk so reckless and im 21 im not a teen cant you read nicca? i choose to type like this. so ya fair ones are you on the east coast? and ya my homie dan who no longer uses this site is a jkd guy whos a pro mma fighter him and joe rogan and what i know about bruce lee tells me that jkd is mma. jkd is basically mixing up different arts keeping what works and dropping what doesnt that what mma is. one can argue that mma is a sport and jkd is a philosophy sure but there the same and ya i do live at home with my mommy but i know what im doing with my life and know martial arts you dont

and u da illiterate 1 i just told you my age dumbass you know im not a teen lol

and you need no technique to eye gouge thats booshit and you know it

and bruce lee said in his book tao of jkd that your average guy who trained 1 year in boxing and 1 year in wrestling can beat your average tm black belts so ya im way past 1 year in both of them