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Christians: Do you agree or disagree with this article and why?
We teach that since the fall of Adam all men who are engendered are conceived and born in sin that is that they are from their mother's womb full of evil desires and propensities and can have by nature no true fear of God no true faith in God and that this innate disease or original sin is truly sin brings all those under the eternal wrath of God who are not again by Baptism and the Holy Spirit Hence we condemn the Pelagians and others who deny original corruption is sin whereby they assert to the disparagement of the merits and sufferings of Christ that piety is the of our natural powers
@Raissa-Actually the Catholic Church affirmed this at the time of the reformation. They saw some quirks in it but accepted it nonetheless.
The reformation was more than 1000 years after St. Augustine.
Well put Bob, However, you are assuming that God does not put faith into our hearts in Baptism. 1 Peter 3:21 seems to say exactly that.
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- ?Lv 78 years agoFavorite Answer
I don't disagree with Scripture. First Scripture indecates that even those who had not followed in the trespass of Adam are also sinners that means infants and children who have not yet commited any sin. Scripture indecates that the flesh is sinful to disagree with that is the same as disagreeing with Scripture itself. There of couse is Jesus Who is without sin being that He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh He was not made of sinful flesh. When we are baptized in the death of Jesus as Christians we no longer are slaves to sin but we become slaves to righteousness. The reason why Christians had baptized infants was for original sin in which they would recieve the gift of the Sanctifying Grace of Jesus from the Holy Spirit. The desire of the flesh is in conflict with the desire of the Holy Spirit. Again in Scripture Jesus states what is born of flesh is flesh, what is born of spririt is spirit. As Christians we are first born of the flesh then we are reborn of the spirit (Sanctifying Grace of Jesus).
Romans 5:12-14
Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned — for up to the time of the law, sin was in the world, though sin is not accounted when there is no law. But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.
1 John 1:5-10
Now this is the message that we have heard from him and proclaim to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say, “We have fellowship with him,” while we continue to walk in darkness, we lie and do not act in truth. But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of his Son Jesus cleanses us from all sin. If we say, “We are without sin,” we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from every wrongdoing. If we say, “We have not sinned,” we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Romans 8:3-4
For what the law, weakened by the flesh, was powerless to do, this God has done: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for the sake of sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous decree of the law might be fulfilled in us, who live not according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
Galatians 5:16-25
I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh. For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ [Jesus] have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit.
- JoelLv 58 years ago
It seems to be a variation of Article 2 of the Augsburg Confession. Am I right?
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Because of the amount of information in this paragraph, I feel a need to explain my position in parts.
(1) I agree that mankind since the time of Adam has been sold under sin, and are rightly under the condemnation of God by both nature and action. I do not know how this fallenness is transferred.
(2) I do not agree, as the Lutherans did, that original sin (as defined in this paragraph) is washed away by baptism, and stand by the Anabaptists in their assertion that baptism must be preceded by belief.
(3) I agree that Pelagianism, which declares all men to be basically good but in need of direction, is a deliberate misinterpretation of the Bible's teaching on sin, and that man needs a Savior, not a mentor.
- Bob TLv 68 years ago
I heard a pastor say, "The good news is really good only if the bad news is really bad." The bad news is that we are born with a sinful nature. Each of us is more sinful than we realize. The good news is that God loves us and forgives us more than we realize. This condition is remedied when God puts saving faith into one's heart, otherwise known as being born again spiritually. So I agree with most of the article, but we must realize that baptism itself does not save anyone.
- Anonymous8 years ago
I disagree with its lack of punctuation, and the evident loss of whole words in transfer from some source, presumably one more complete.
- Anonymous8 years ago
this is where St. Augustine was able to prove them wrong , they were a heretical group caused trouble in the 5th. century , we did not need god's grace .
- Anonymous8 years ago
Looks a bit poorly written to me.Change it to English and you will get a few replies
- Anonymous8 years ago
Why