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How do atheists deal with many Christians that are far smarter and more scientific than they could ever be ?

People like Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, Col. James Irwin, General "Charlie" Duke, Gregor Mendel, Christopher Clavius, Pierre Gassendi, Pierre Macq, Giuseppe Piazzi, etc.

Update:

I've seen lots of people here claim that they are "to smart to be a Christian" or 'to scientific to be a Christian" or "to well educated to be a Christian". Are they really smarter, more scientific, and better educated than the guy who developed the Big Bang theory?

Update 2:

Oh for Kaynex , a team of researchers recently did the math and proved God's existence using Kurt Godel's Ontological Argument. The math is beyond me, but you can find it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_ontologi... here is the original article http://www.scribd.com/doc/180747536/Formalization-...

Update 3:

Gazoo and Silly Goose, obviously you don't know who all the people I listed are.

Update 4:

You guys might want to do try Google or Bing.

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  • Anonymous
    7 years ago
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    Science is not a basis for atheism, it's simply a justification.

    If one of these scientists proved that their god is real, then atheists would have to deal with it.

    And, honestly, if that proof was presented, I would convert. But, it's my personal opinion that it will not be.

    EDIT: You don't really need to be able to read the math to be able to see through the argument, it's displayed in words. (Although I can read logic, they've made it so unnecessarily complicated, it's not easy to think through. I won't be addressing it.)

    The proof can be layed out as such:

    D1: "A God-like being possesses all positive properties"

    A5: "Necessary existence is a positive property"

    D3: "Necessary existence of an individual is the necessary exemplification of all its essences"

    (D2: An essence of an individual is a property possessed by it and necessarily implying any of its properties)

    (Put simply, if we can find something's properties, then something exists. This is not logically true!)

    Therefore, god exists.

    The first issue is that they don't define a "positive" property. That's very important, as it is the basis of the argument. Without the definition, it is impossible to make some of the relations they have made, such as "The property of being God-like is positive".

    The direct fault with the article is D3. It's simply not true. Because the "positive property" that links D2 and D3 together is undefined, this becomes circular reasoning. If I said that leprechauns posses all positive properties, they would also be "proven" true.

  • 7 years ago

    Funny that most of those people actual contribution ran against the teaching and dogma of religion.

    (although Irwin's quest for Noah's ark lead me to believe he must have been zapped by too many cosmic rays during his journey and stay on the moon. And since his highest diploma, a master in Aerospace Engineering, which is a title I hold, I take exception to the claim that he was 'far smarter' than I am)

    I guess they were just going in the right direction with quite a way left to go.

    Edit: one can easily dismiss Godel's Ontological Argument; the axioms 3 and 5 are unfounded (by definition, an axiom is something that you accept as valid, without proof). But since, by you own admission, the details are beyond you, it is pointless to discuss it. Let just state that the reasoning is valid (and this is only what was proven) but with the wrong premises, leading to faulty conclusion.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    WOW, out of 10 billion christians over the history of christianity 10 people did something significant. How very fundie of you.

    - I've seen lots of people here claim that they are "to smart to be a Christian" or 'to scientific to be a Christian"

    The more important question is how many of them were creationists. Being a christian does not automatically mean you are stupid, but being a creationist does.

    - Are they really smarter, more scientific, and better educated than the guy who developed the Big Bang theory?

    Again, the more important question is how many fundies denigrate the theory postulated by a christian.

    "mathematical proof and ontological argument" is a non-sequitur, they are mutually exclusive. But then what can one expect from a fundie.

  • 7 years ago

    Maybe you should ask atheists how they deal with all the hundreds of Jewish scientists?

    In the research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Physics, and Physiology/Medicine, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 39%, respectively. Among women laureates in the four research fields, the Jewish percentages (world and US) are 38% and 50%, respectively. Of organizations awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, 23% were founded principally by Jews or by people of half-Jewish descent. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Hmmm Atheism, another institution of mind.

    The ego always looks for a place to lay it's head and even construes it's own reality.

    Today it seems science has become a God which people follow, embroiled in the logical pursuit of objective truth for some it is the mere servant. This is contrary to (Luke 9:58) - Difficult when concomitant/embroiled with Imperial life.

    I think people who pigeon hole them selves as Atheists just watch to many documentaries and wild life programs, and listen to people like Richard Dawkins – amongst others.

    (Due to the insidious nature of plausibility) ~ (I sound as though I know what I'm talking about) - and formatory thinking, people tend to believe peerage)- Buy the dream – (Spiritual sleep)

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    Timothy Chapter 6:

    20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

    In Hinduism: Chapter 10. The Opulence of the Absolute.

    Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Here is some smart christian quotes

    "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." — 1992 Iowa fundraising letter opposing a state equal-rights amendment ("Equal Rights Initiative in Iowa Attacked", Washington Post, 23 August 1992); it is sometimes claimed that this statement appeared in Robertson's 1992 GOP convention speech,

    Why do miracles "happen with great frequency in Africa, and not here in the USA?" asked a 700 Club patron Ken. "People overseas didn't go to Ivy League schools," Robertson replied with a chuckle.

    "We are so sophisticated, we think we've got everything figured out," the Christian Broadcasting Network chairman continued. "We know about evolution, we know about Darwin, we know about all these things that says God isn't real, we know about all this stuff."

  • pmaxu
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    I can respect someone who is religious, but sets aside their beliefs to follow good science, and make correct conclusions. In fact, I can appreciate the irony that so many Christians get all riled up over science that was done by other Christians.

  • 7 years ago

    There are plenty of atheists who are great scientists and great people like Lawrence Krauss , Richard Dawkins , Zhores Alferov , Stephen Hawkings ,John Stewart Bell... and so on . What does religion have to do with intellect?

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    Why would I care? I'm not interested in science.

    That they enjoyed the realm of the imaginary is something they have in common with most "ordinary" humans so what's your point in mentioning it? I enjoy it as well, I just recognize it for what it is. In that respect, I had one up on them if I'm to believe your "question".

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    None of them have presented evidence of their god. Until they do it is blather.

    And there was no team of researcher proving god's existents. If there were you'd have presented that ahead of you're rhetoric. Not that we all wouldn't have heard about it a hundred times over.

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