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? asked in SportsMartial Arts · 7 years ago

Why do MMA and BJJ think they know CACC?

Whenever I read something online about CACC (Catch As Catch Can) aka Catch Wrestling, I will always find someone from a BJJ or MMA background going on like they have all the answers.

Is it because Catch Wrestlers like Billy Robinson and Karl Gotch influenced the early MMA scene in Japan? Or is it because JiuJitsu feel that they can dominate anything with submissions?

This is a serious question BTW.

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  • 7 years ago
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    Because how many "pure" CACC guys are there? Of those, how many are an active part of the internet community?

    The BJJ and MMA communities are going to be the ones that contact CACC, mostly in the form of the Japanese hybrid wrestling scene from the early-mid 1990's. Who outside of MMA claims CACC as a competitor? Josh Barnett is the only guy on the big scene really waving the Catch banner right now. Prior to that, it was Kazushi Sakuraba, Masakatsu Funaki, the Shamrock brothers (to a degree, though they mostly called it "submission fighting" if I recall), maybe Erik Paulson (though he, too, is a hybrid). On local levels, you have guys who are essentially trying to re-create CACC as a sport from scratch, but that hasn't produced any top competitors in the overall grappling world.

    Personally, I have historical instruction manuals, books on CACC and wrestling history, and instructionals by Japanese and Western exponents of Catch. Even visited a Catch gym in NC, and have a coach certification in a system with a Catch influence. Personally, I don't see myself as a "Catch" guy any more than a "BJJ" guy or a "karate" guy or a "boxing" guy or whatever. But, because I also study BJJ, because I train in an MMA format, maybe YOU might see me as one of those "guys". Studying MMA or BJJ doesn't exclude the study of Catch though, right?

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    wrestling and bjj is probably the best for your ground game. In wrestling you've got take downs, throws, take down defense, and a very good base once the fight goes to the ground. And then with BJJ you have all the submissions you can think off, and even more positioning. Very good combination of styles to create a very good ground game.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Huge crossover of techniques, I would imagine. I mean...the longer you grapple the clearer it becomes that grappling is grappling. Fundamentals don't change. Body mechanics don't change. The only reason the sports are so different is because of different rulesets. A double wristlock is a kimura is an ude garami and so on. So BJJ guys probably feel fine talking about CACC stuff because they know that a lot of their stuff still applies.

  • Guts
    Lv 5
    7 years ago

    kimura!?!? you mean double wrist lock?

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