Why do ugly and average guys think women will want them if they try grooming?

I don't, I just chill all day, smoke weed and remind myself that all women are nasty and self-centred

First of all, an attractive man is not reflected by his looks, but by his dignity, his energy, his personality. You've gotta understand what reverse psychology is because despite some inexperienced girls saying this want money, looks, things in common, etc. their subconscious wants something else. It's understandable that girls and women don't get the sexual feeling very often because 95 out of 100 guys don't know how to attract women. They think it's about looks, being "nice," or being a jerk which will get them any girl, but that's not the case.

So ladies, my advice is to stay hopeful at all times.

And guys, maturity is synonymous with confidence.

Btw I've answered your question as you said

PS there are some really good-looking guys who have the "nice guy syndrome" but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I am not a big dater so my experience from which i speak comes from my past and currently that i bartend while going to school.

I see men and women like you in the bar a lot. Some have even asked me out. Before i turn them down i must have been good enough to ask out. But once you say no all of a sudden they believe i was not good enough for them.. what it comes down to is this. No matter how pretty or hot you are on the outside. If there is no beauty on the inside thenyou will live a lonely life. For love comes from that inner beauty. So find yourself a pretty boy and you will both have a possession you can show off till one of you no longer finds the others shell as hot as they once did. In the meantime i will keep searching for a lady whose inner beauty will be around for a life time.

Ugh no real answer and everyone keeps beating around the bush. Ugly and average guys shouldn't even think women would want them they're ******* disgusting. I'd rather let a hot guy knock me up so I can have his beautiful kids and let some loser ugly guy raise them. He should be lucky to date a species superior to him not a superior species be lucky to date him, we women are superior and inferior men need to understand that.

Well it depends if they're trying too hard to get the girl

I think that would be a turn off

Not all women look for hotness, money, or status in a guy. There are women who give priority to other factors, such as intelligence, personality, wisdom, etc. It is girls (note I used girl, not woman) like you that make some guys lose their confidence. You have a very inaccurate understanding of what women want. Not all women think like you do. Not all women think that a guy should have plastic surgery to get a girl. I think you meant to say that "I am a prettier girl and therefore I have the option of choosing and I choose hot guys". Women are not the "prettier sex". There is no such think like that. And nobody has the option of choosing a partner just because they look better. And again, not all women choose hot guys. If you think that you are prettier, good for you! If you think that because you are prettier, you have the option to choose your guy, you are wrong.

Your second paragraph, please refer to what I said before. And please, stop using "we women" and "our" to

unify every women's opinion because it is not a unified opinion.

To all the guys our there and any guy reading this, please understand that not all women think like Ashley. There are women who hold different views, expectations, and understanding. Please do not lose your confidence in yourself or shy away from asking out a girl you like. Please do not think of changing yourself through plastic surgery or something like that to please a girl. If you need to change yourself like that than you're in a relationship with the wrong person. Because no matter how many plastic surgeries you have for that woman, it will never satisfy her and you will end up with a destroyed self-confidence. If you want to have plastic surgery, it should be for yourself. If you want to change something about you, it should be for yourself first. I am being completely honest. Not every woman you come across looks for the guy with the looks, the money or the status. You just have to come across the right woman of your dreams. And trust me, there are many women out there who hold a different view than Ashley.

And to answer your question, guys think that women will want them if they groom because they think it will please women. and not all guys understand that girls like you are only looking for hot guys. and i definitely don't think that they should get the message that no woman wants them because it's not true.

Women are not better looking than men (facially). Not without make up. Their bodies yes but men can build their bodies. Women only have more options because of the male sex drive.