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..... of the truly miraculous variety that supercedes nature (not a "financial miracle" or an "unexpected natural blessing")

Greek Version:

"About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not cease. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life. For the prophets of God had prophesied these and myriads of other marvellous things about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still up to now, not disappeared" (Antiquities 18.63).

Arabic Version:

"Similarly Josephus the Hebrew. For he says in the treatises that he has written on the governance of the Jews:

At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to themafter his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders" (cited in Agapios' "Book of the Title," 10th c.).

Are either one of these presumed to be the genuine words of Josephus? Or were they added by an overzealous Christian copiest? Are only parts of it genuine and parts of it spurious, or is the whole thing a spurious addition to the text?

Opinions, plz? :-)

Greek Version:

"About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not cease. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life. For the prophets of God had prophesied these and myriads of other marvellous things about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still up to now, not disappeared" (Antiquities 18.63).

Arabic Version:

"Similarly Josephus the Hebrew. For he says in the treatises that he has written on the governance of the Jews:

At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to themafter his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders" (cited in Agapios' "Book of the Title," 10th c.).

Are either one of these presumed to be the genuine words of Josephus? Or were they added by an overzealous Christian copiest? Are only parts of it genuine and parts of it spurious, or is the whole thing a spurious addition to the text?

Opinions, plz? :-)

..... or do they represent extremely long periods of time?

..... in the Godhead?

Aside from the fact that using that text to prove such is taking it completely out of context, why should the baptism of Jesus convince me that the Trinity is true?

*** FYI: I believe in the deity of Jesus Christ.... there is no need to attempt to prove that Jesus is God.

into the text of 1 John 5:7, rather than the church fathers quoting Scripture?

Is there a reference in any church father's writings concerning 1 John 5:7 where he specifically states that he was quoting from the New Testament?

See my other question, asked at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201007...

The following verbage cannot be found in any Greek manuscript, any Greek codex, or any version earlier than the 13th century:

".....there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And....."

"My organization can beat up YOUR organization!"

**CONSCIENTIOUS SCRUPLES**

We recognize the institution of human government as being of divine ordination,

and, in so doing, affirm unswerving loyalty to our Government; however, we take a

definite position regarding the bearing of arms or the taking of human life.

As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, we believe in implicit

obedience to His commandments and precepts which instruct as follows:

"That ye resist not evil" (Matthew 5:39); "Follow peace with all men" (Hebrews

12:14). (See also Matthew 26:52; Romans 12:19; James 5:6; Revelation 13:10.)

These we believe and interpret to mean Christians shall not shed blood nor take

human life.

Therefore, we propose to fulfill all the obligations of loyal citizens, but are constrained

to declare against participating in combatant service in war, armed insurrection,

property destruction, aiding or abetting in or the actual destruction of human life.

......................

We, therefore, exhort our members to freely and willingly respond to

the call of our Government except in the matter of bearing arms. When we say service,

we mean service - no matter how hard or dangerous. The true church has no

more place for cowards than has the nation. First of all, however, let us earnestly pray

that we will with honor be kept out of war.

We believe that we can be consistent in serving our Government in certain non-combatant

capacities, but not in the bearing of arms.

We further believe that our military personnel must live in a manner consistent

with the Articles of Faith.

In other words, we are allowed to "support from the rear" in military service, but the actual fighting is "beneath" us, reserved for the "lost sinner"??? What's wrong with that picture?

I am convinced that, if one takes the Scriptures at face value and lets them speak for themselves, they will conclude that God is ONE divine Person and that Jesus is that ONE divine Person manifest in the flesh (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 3:16; Colossians 2:9).

Have you ever wondered if it might be possible to embrace both a uni-personal God AND the deity of Jesus Christ?

Or is every long-held doctrine within our movement correct by default?

**** I'm not referring to basic doctrines like the Oneness of God and the new birth experience. I'm referring to some of the non-fundamental views that have been long-held within the ranks of our faith.

...... become so stubborn that they refuse to ever question their own doctrinal "status quos"?

What if some of those other long held views and practices are also "teachings and traditions of men" that need to be revisited and corrected as the Holy Spirit reveals truth?

The truth has been obscured for 2,000 plus years! Can we honestly say that we have it all "figured out" and do not need further teaching / learning?

By the time I get a notification that one of my contacts has asked a question, it has already been a week and a best answer has already been chosen.

"Contemporary Christianity is guilty of the error of the Pharisees. That is, it has added a raft of humanly devised traditions that have suppressed the living, breathing, functional headship of Jesus Christ in His church.

"Second, in the tradition of the Sadducees, the great bulk of New Testament practices have been removed from the Christian landscape. Thankfully such practices are presently being restored on a small scale by those daring souls who have taken the terrifying step of leaving the safe camp of institutional Christianity."

(Viola, Frank & Barna, George. Pagan Christianity. Tyndale House Publishers, 2008)

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**** FYI: I believe in the deity of Jesus Christ.

"And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son — The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and the Son." (Mosiah 15:1-3, 1830 Book of Mormon)

"I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son." (Ether 3:14, 1830 Book of Mormon)

...... "mishkevei ishah" is used as a euphemism for "as with womankind" as it is traditionally translated in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13?

Preferably examples that are not places where rabbis have simply quoted these Scriptures but other usages of the phrase.

**** I'm reposting this in R&S because I didn't get any response in Languages. I believe this fits both categories since this is a Biblical question.

...... "mishkevei ishah" is used as a euphemism for "as with womankind" as it is traditionally translated in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13?

Preferably examples that are not simply places where rabbis have simply quoted these Scriptures but other usages of the phrase.