Wade

could God have counted me a sinner before he even formed me in my mothers womb?

did God put me in an environment where sin was already a problem?

yes I had a fair chance to live a holy life right?

Fact is God doesn't care if we are sin free or not he just wants someone to rule over.

Other wise he would not have come up with this plan of salvation.

If he destroys us all he has nothing to rule. What fun is it to rule an empty kingdom?

Def of saved: to rescue from harm, danger or loss. to set free from the consequences of sin; redeem. to keep in safe condition, safeguard. What the hell is Gods definition of love? saved? I still get hurt I still find myself in dangerous situations, I am not free from the consequences of sin by myself or others. He tells me I have been redeemed. saved is to be kept in safe condition. The bible says rain falls on the just and the unjust!! the bible says he who ENDURES to the end shall be saved. So if I get rained on and I have to ENDURE to be saved who exactly is saving who here? Sounds to me like I am saving me!!!!!!!!!!!!! based on my first five years of my born again existence I would agree with myself. If I don't accept Jesus I don't get eternal life. MY DECISION. If I don't obey gods rules I get corrected by his spirit dwelling in me. If I don't cooperate with HIM which is ENDURE I assure you....yep I am pretty sure we are all responsible for saving ourselves and get this HE used sinful man to approach us with his TRUTH (Jesus) Doesn't even bother to introduce himself to us himself. I cant tell you how many pieces of bad advice Ive gotten from Christians like myself....let alone seen many terrible examples set for me. Sorry just thinking out loud. but feel free to chime in.

ITS in the bible!!!!! Something tells me God is well aware of how you feel about what is written in the bible and probably knew people would feel this way. Are you convinced? YOU? one in seven billion people just counting the ones that are living today can take away from Gods credibility?

speaking in tongues is a gift of the holy spirit present in the body of believer. Its not verification of Christ being present in ones life it just a sign and obvious evidence of such. there are several gifts of the holy spirit given to each as God himself decides. The bible actually says we as believers should keep tongues to ourselves and in our own personal prayer life unless there is an interpreter. also another gift of the holy spirit. Discussion question.

I already know you don't believe. Christians what is the one tangible piece of evidence that a non believer would receive upon taking Christ by faith? Yes I am looking for a specific answer. you can actually hear the answer I am looking for when in the presence of a true believer who is praying.

Is God wrong for setting a bar and standards for people to live by? Is it wrong to have accountability? I don't think its wrong to try and live a sin free good life and then petition God about unfairness, or accuse him then of being a dictator who cares nothing about you.

benefit from that? Yes I know define love right? well Jesus definition of Love was to die for the sins of Mankind. People not even born yet, people who wouldn't be born for another 6000 years. His love is all encompassing. Wouldn't we be more capable of loving like God does if we could see each child from birth grow up? Jesus LOVE was actually reluctant. He said he wanted God to take the burden from him but not HIS will but the Fathers. So he even made that sacrifice reluctantly just to please God. So NOW we have this PLEASE GOD LOVE. LOVE EVERYONE CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH. wouldn't we enjoy more success if we didn't bring the HURD into the Church and show them how UNIVERSAL GOds love is? Wouldn't we all be more enclined to LOVE if God was more personable instead of being all universal in his approach? How bout God set aside the 7 billion people he has created for just a minute to tell you straight to your face he LOVES you?

be some horrible filthy rag sinner who accepts his Son to get to SHOULDNT GOD JUST TAKE CARE OF US ANYWAY???? whats this come in later and clean up crap?

Job- Christians and non Christians have em.

family- " "

Food- last I checked if you don't eat God don't have nobody to bring to himself through Christ.

car- in America just about everyone has one

clothes= I would be sinning to go outside without them.

my health- now is that a blessing or just nessesary to go to work and exist? once again? I have to exist in order for God to bring me to him through Christ.

anxiety- born with it and was able to eliminate most of it over time....you just kinda accept that there are no answers to some questions

fear- apparently all I have to fear now is God.

So when God answers a prayer and helps me....I can look across the street and find a non believer who already has what I prayed for. sooooo what am I blessed with exactly?

I am one in 7 billion people on this earth and God is failing miserably at making me feel special.

into the window and I am on my way to the hospital. Its not Gods fault is it? We don't need to concern ourselves with the x's and o's of life do we? I mean he could have given me car trouble? maybe changed a light here or there, he could have muted the alarm, something right? Who cares we are GOING TO HEAVEN. my only job is to accept Gods failures to keep me and my family safe because he loves me!!!!!!!!!!!!

to Christ and the kingdom of heaven? God not been able to accomplish his goal of not wanting to see any not make it. He has had 6000 years, at least.

Even MOses knew he wasn't someone God should use. Turns out he was right. God didn't listen though and made him pay for it by not allowing him into the promised land. Well the story ends really good though. Moses last appearance was on the mount with Jesus during the transfiguration. Bad example for the rest of us... God telling me I can screw up all I want and still call heaven my home? Is he telling me most of what we do is NOT a heaven or hell issue? Do we as Christians try to take too much ownership in something that really doesn't belong to us in the first place?

something tells me I am a little off.

I would love God to come to me and say just once....My bad. that was truly my fault it happened.

with Gods "everyone makes the team" attitude?

what is the difference between a witness on the streets? and a church sermon?

Is this the only sentence believers need to say to an nonbeliever? "want to come to church with me?" when someone walks into a church with and listens to an anointed pastor who has sacrifieced his whole life to serve God, this person has made the effort to seek God. when a person asks a Christian about God in a forum like this there is NO accountability.

1) how do you make a living telling every single caller the burden of proof is on them?

2) how do Christians not wise up and realize they are making a living off our stupidity.

we actually give atheist ground to stand on when we lend ourselves to argument. they are here to find something and God wants us to let them wonder into a church. not wonder what is on our individual minds.

Arsenio to the right of the computer screen?

maybe if people got punished before death maybe the rest of us could do the math?

obviously there are a lot of GODLESS homes. or can we make the assumption that God has established his presence in at least one of the parents before a child is born?