Why are climate change skeptics calling for a debate on the issue?
What new issues do that have that they wish to bring to the debating table?
Why did they elect not to participate in the debate in the past?
Has their conduct these last two weeks destroyed their credibility?
What would they hope to achieve by having a debate?
What would they debate about and with whom?
Dana19812009-12-01T15:56:18Z
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That depends what kind of debate they're calling for. 'Skeptics' often call for public debates, often demanding that Al Gore participate. This is because verbal debates are won with rhetoric rather than substance - it's easy to lie in a debate, and in that kind of forum a lie is impossible to disprove. A fact that Richard Lindzen has taken advantage of: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnfDIQ_UobgAmu8JrjkWU7QjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20080529085034AAjg0z2
And of course they call for Al Gore to debate precisely because he's not a climate scientist, but rather a politician.
Conservative gives a good example of such a debate tactic, claiming "The debate wouldn't last long. We'd just point to the cooling trend."
No denier (including Conservative) has ever provided evidence of a statistically significant cooling trend, because none exists. But in a verbal debate, they could certainly claim that one exists, and the opposition could not disprove it in that forum.
If they're calling for a real debate, as in "you present your evidence and I'll present mine", that's been happening for decades in the peer-reviewed literature, and 'skeptics' have already lost this debate. I don't know what new issue they think they can bring to the table, but if they had one, they're more than welcome to present it in a peer-reviewed paper.
I don't think they had any credibility to begin with, but the smear campaign deniers have enaged in over the past week or two has certainly destroyed whatever remained.
Global warming/climate change has just become a new religious cult based in greedy power grabbing and hopes of world domination through "climate legislation". In the past it was the religious zealots who burned the truth telling scientists at the stake today it is climate change political zealots trying to silence the truth tellers and sell the world some very expensive SNAKE OIL.
It seems global warming advocates are determined to turn logic and biology upside down. Anyone who remebers basic high school biology knows carbon dioxide is essential to plant life as oxygen is essential to human life. These two basic facts can't be separated. Only Obama-style liberals will attempt to convince us about how critical combating global warming is to the Earth's survival. As then Sen. Hillary Clinton said to Gen. David Petreaus, we must be "...willing to suspend all disbelief." I'm not willing to do so!
Global warming, or climate change, which ever they decide to call it this year, is not based on science at all. it's all based on the consensus of a few scientist who have something to gain by furthering this farce. Guess what that is? $$$$
Anyone who believes Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant should stop breathing. Since we exhale Carbon Dioxide in every breath, we are literally polluting the atmosphere. So stop breathing and reduce your carbon footprint, or say NO to cap and trade & the whole global warming hoax.
We can't project an accurate forecast a week in advance and yet we say that we're doomed in the future? I believe in eliminating waste and keeping things clean so that I, and my family, can safely enjoy the outdoors but I also know where the comforts of life come from and that is manufacturing that uses energy and supplies that are either grown or mined somehow. Follow the research grants and see what is being pushed.
I have a simple question I would like someone to answer for me, If the specific gravity (relative density) of air is 1.00 and the specific gravity (relative density) of CO2 is 1.5189, that means CO2 is heavier than air and settles on the Earth's surface where green plants need it. How then can CO2 be in the Earth's upper atmosphere and stratosphere trapping the Sun's rays and heating up the planet? Anybody? Anybody? Hello? That's what I thought.
I have much more important questions. When did any scientist cease to be a skeptics? When did consensus serve as proof of anything? Was it not the case that at one time in history, the scientific consensus was that the earth was flat?
None of your questions should matter at all. All that is supposed to matter is the truth. Proven, tested, repeatable proof. You can wipe the floor with consensus.
Now to answer your questions:
A) New issues? How about false claims and doctored data for a start.
B) They were excluded from any prior debate (see email dump)
C) No, the behavior of the skeptics has been consistent; prove it!
D) They would hope to find what any scientist should always seek, reality.
E) They should debate with those who still claim Man Made Global Warming is a proven reality to find out if they are lying.