Why is idealism condemned?

Idealism is condemned vehemently with a cynically negative perspective. If idealism is simply an idea then an ideal, then an idealism and then an ideology, then is not the condemnation of idealism, simply an idea, then an ideal, and then an idealism, then an ideology? Isnt this attitude the very definition of cynicism? (Isn't this mass cynicism the same attitude for a murder conspiracy)? jeeezus?

2011-09-02T08:44:42Z

To the first respondent. I dont know how to make that symbol. Thanx for training yourself in the ability to read. And thanx for the compliment on my writing ability.

Xaxorm
You had a shift in perspective halfway through. You had a second thought didn't you? Thanx for chaniging from cynical mass joiner perspective, optimistic, individual stand upon your own person. That was the purpose of my post, and you have proven me admirabley. the question next is, which will the next respondent join. It will be either of four, the same as the first respondent,(a firm positive), the same as you, the second respondent( a change from negative to positive). A firm negative, or a changeup from positive to negative. Watch this question and see.

2011-09-02T08:56:02Z

And there we have the third response. a firm negative from David (hegel"s translator). Who is hegel? I dont see him posting anything? Are you not simply promoting negativism as a negative,IDEA, by believing you have an ideal, and spouting an idealism, in support if your own philisophic ideology? isn't that another concept condemend by the same philosophy? (narcissism) How can you be negative, toward humanity, be narcissistic, and still live with yourself as an OXYMORON? (What does hegel have to do with personal philosophies, and whom said you could speak in his stead., and why does his personal philosophy give rise to your personal negativism, , and what ideiology are you practicing, which will allow you to negate your own narcissism? I never ask a fifth question for that is where the answer lives.

2011-09-02T09:02:04Z

As prophesied the fourth respondent was a shift from a positive beginning, to a negative finish. I assure you all, every respondent from this time fourth w ill join one of you four in their perspective. Watch this interesting question and see my prophecy unfold in effect.

2011-09-02T11:11:17Z

I am good, are you god? You were talking to yourself. These additional details, "if you could acrtually read" are reactions to my responders. The pattern found here first appeared in the responses from my readers. And as predicted, you have enacted the category (2) response. A negative beginning ending with a shift in the middle to the opposing perspective. You end with a compliment and a prescription based which was already performed, and ignored by your consciousness. but not your subconscious. My perception of my readers iss idealistic. Thanx for the compliment. And this was a well thoughtout question. I thought about it for 60 years before i posted it. My advice to you is (LEARN TO READ), and then your intelligence can get through instead of your predetermined (prejudiced), attitude.

2011-09-02T11:17:46Z

Now for the simplifications. The first foru responses set the tone for all responses, and it is prophesied by me, that all respondents willfit into one of the first four categories. labelling them as 1234...

Tht first four are 1234...

#5 was a 2
#6was a 4
I will post this description as the responses come in.

2011-09-02T11:27:00Z

#7 is a 1
Note, when these responses are made to the end of the responses. all the same numbers think alike. The ones are ones, the twos are twos the threes are threes, the fours are fours.

2011-09-02T16:04:33Z

#8 is a 4

As this can go on forever, in the typical form of trampling out the victory, i am going to put a stop to this question, by picking the onemand only correct answer. the correct response is responder #1. A clean positive with a condemnation of cynicism. His further, reference was in the link, and should be read if you want to get an idea of the lcynical persecution of idealism.

2011-09-02T08:20:23Z

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Idealism is condemned the same reason cynicism is praised by those who partake in it's methods of thought. When you select a philosophical stance as a target as a collective group of people, it enables a certain feeling of happiness over that victory (Indeed, present in all things, perhaps some would say) It's not just condemned for the mainly obvious, albeit moot, reasons, that are too evident to explain here; you did a fine job in your post. The primary reason is perhaps the simple pleasure derived from self-righteousness.

To go further, the gap between cynicism and idealism is quite like this genius article* I've read, which makes prominent similarities between many, many, things.

Funnily enough, I'm part of that evil cynic mass. I'm just so cynical I can be cynical of cynicism, to be perfectly narcissistic**. Oh, and no problem.

Perseus2011-09-02T10:05:47Z

Idealism is not necessarily condemned. However, the Guardians in Society (45% of people) follow the dictates of authority and idealists are often counter to the establishment. Rationals (5%) do not like ideals either because they work within the system. Even Idealists are selective as well and may not like the ideals of a rival group. The Crazies (5%) do not like ideals because they are two idiotic to understand.But it still leaves a % of the population that will follow ideals. However, some of these people are flighty and their support will not be sustained. Artisans (25%) are too busy on their own projects to bother about the Ideals of another. So the thinking of other personalities do not fit in.

It gets worse as even the most sensible people, or probably the sensible people, just suspect a vested interest. An agenda and an ulterior motive. This does communicate very well.

trueprober2011-09-02T10:40:40Z

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Idealism is condemned only because of ignorance. Idea is the very basic one. In music we have the fundamental note and with that fundamental we have harmonics. As the fundamental is given the firm position then music comes out so pleased. Same way idea is the very basis which has to be given the firm position to which our activities have to be structured. One, just by producing fundamental, cannot bring out pleasing music. That would be only one frequency. Same way, idealism has been understood in a wrong way and because of such ignorance it has been avoided by all of us. In case of physics we talk about ideal transformer. The transformer which would transfer cent percent electrical energy or power right from primary to secondary coil. This is possible only when there will not be any power loss. But in practical situation there will be unavoidable power losses due to various factors.Hence ideal Vs practical. Same way, because of naturally existing opposing factors we come to the conclusion in hasty manner that idealism is not at all possible and so it would be so intelligent as we be more practical in all walks of life. So idea, of course, thought which comes right from the source of thoughts would have certainly the firm position which would be just like the fundamental note for music. Hence idealism is to be understood in a proper way and is to be given due importance. In Hindu mythology four yugas are there. Sathya Yuga (ideal) Golden, Draetha (silver), Dwabara (bronze) and Kali (iron). Now we are living in Kali yuga. In this yuga almost all of us (maximum percentage) would be far away from idealism (Golden mentality) and dwell with iron mentality. Heart would become so hard as iron. No love towards any one even to own self. Such a hard heart! Ignorant state! Out of ignorance we have fear, uncertainty, deceiving others, immoral acts, hasty decisions etc etc. The only remedy is to give an opportunity to dive within and realize the self within. So enlivening thoughts (ideas) would lead to live in an ideal world. This is quite possible and then we make an entry back to Sathya Yuga. So we can say that we are in Sangama Yuga. That is on the bridge way connecting Kali yuga and Sathya yuga. You may feel that this approach is something entirely different from other friends of ours.

Anonymous2011-09-02T15:13:42Z

I am going to over simplify things. Idealism is the act or practice of envisioning things in an ideal form.
My thoughts are that as a Christian I should try to practice the ideals of Jesus Christ, e.g. Forgiveness, unconditional love, (of all people), avoidance of sin, practising good deeds. ET C. All these things are ideals. Some people think that the ideals are hard to put into practice therefore if the majority of people do not practice them it will vindicate their own lax attitude to the practice of the ideals.

xaxorm2011-09-02T08:22:39Z

Idealism means that the premises, the preconditions of your goal are seen as unachievable. The idea is not practical.

If you want an idea to be perceived as meaningful, and not subject to the charge of idealism, just stress that, while there are obstacles to be overcome and the goal may seem extreme or too-good-to-be-true to some people, the preconditions are actually realistic, and they may be overestimating the difficulty. This is why some people say it's not idealistic, it's just "out-of-the-box" thinking.

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