Anyone else see the irony in the immigration debate (in a historical perspective)?

First of all, the other immigrants you mention (and more) came here legally. Yes, it was another time and place and for that reason it does not really bear up to comparison to here and now, in my mind. but there is more.

Second, from what I know the Germans and Irish did not waste the welfare, education, social services and health care system when they arrived nor did they have the need to lie, cheat and steal because bad as they may have been ...they were here legally. In fact, I am of English/Danish/German folks and they were all severly mistreated by Americans. No handouts given at that time. It was swim or sink in the new land.

3rd, they came (back then) in relatively managable numbers and there was far more room for opportunity for many more. The situation currently is so tight with major corporations sending biz and labor opprotunities offshore and the ones doing biz here on US terrritory hire these illegals in vast numbers and cripple the opportunities for many US Americans that would otherwise do the job. These large manufacturers do so on the backs of other American citizens who pay taxes and deserve better treatment.

In the meantime, the rest of America is paying taxes to support the malfeasance of the industrialists. It's wrong and unfair.

I also might add, that to my knowledge, German or Irish were never spoken as part of public policy Or any other for that matter). For that group and others, it was learn English or fail. That too has changed. There are many that would have Spanish be spoken as a second language of necessity in the USA. This all has been fostered and fomented by Illegal Immigrant/Alien influx both recently as well as in and around 1986 at the time of Amnesty. You can thank La Raza and others like them for that.

The whole ball of wax is crooked, unfair and seperatist/racist in nature ...against our non denmoinational society. Few to None of these aspects are the traditionally American way of doing biz or living our lives.

I for one don't think it should be going on and believe it will be changed. In many ways, much damage has already been done.

Hopefully, the USA can and will recover.

We didn't have subsidized services 100 years ago when my 'damn German' great great grandparents came over. Our family and thier neighbors donated land to build a school and more land for a church. They built both with their own hands. They collected money to pay the minister and the teacher.

Not exactly like it is today, is it?

That is WHY we limit poor immigrants today. This is going to be the first generation here that doesn't do as well as our parents. That was not true 100 years ago either. Now it is a better life for their family, which we pay for, at the expense of a better life for our own. Poor immigrants are an economically losing proposition even if they pay all taxes, and culture has nothing to do with THAT.

However, not knowing the language does mean they drain even more of our education funds. They also stay in poverty longer, so they use services for more generations. Look it up.

Angela - what race were the Germans, again?

The migrant staff are right here doing jobs that almost all Americans is not going to do for the pay they're supplied. I haven't any issues with migrant staff so long as they've a piece allow. My stance has no longer converted, I additionally aid the annex Mexico, it sort of feels we are assisting their financial system besides. I have many Mexican peers and their households are torn aside by way of this difficulty. Many suppose that the illegals will have to be made to go away and cross approximately coming right here the correct manner, however others suppose that if they're right here and are running that they will have to be made residents. Where I paintings has gotten unhealthy ample that the software now says that in case you are not able to learn and write English that you're ineligible for employment. That isn't discrimination both, in my opinion, we paintings with the general public and for all of you that experience gotten a kind of persons that do not talk english while you name your mobile mobile enterprise with a query, you understand how irritating it's to invite a query and they do not realize ample English to reply you.

I wouldn't think it's ironic.

Your post gives examples of this behaviour happening in the past. Irony would be if we openly accepted this wave of immigrants and didn't react the same to immigrants as our ancestors.

I think you did key on the most important aspect of the topic. Nobody is saying "Mexicans need not apply". The only thing being said is follow the rules and enter our country according to our laws. If you didn't, you are illegal and need to be prosecuted and deported. So in that sense, it is ironic...we're treating legal immigrants MUCH better than our ancestors...from a historical perspective.

I'm familiar with the information. The difference is that when the early immigrants came here they fended for themselves. They did not get social security, welfare, or medical. They also did not demand that we start teaching our classes in German, Italian, french, Chinese, or even good old Irish. In fact, they didn't demand, they got right to work developing their communities and becoming Americans. Limited options? That's your excuse for breaking the law? Are you kidding me?

There is no irony as there is no comparison.

ILLEGAL is the operative word. When immigation began those who came to this country realized it is here that they would have freedom and the opportunity to grow, prosper, raise their children. The difference is when people began immigrating here they loved this country and wholeheartedly pledged their loyalty to this country. They worked hard to learn the language and become citizens.

That all is a far cry from what is going on today. Illegals really don't want to assimilate they only want the rights and freedoms. They are not interested and do not love the good old U.S.A.

I don't think its ironic at all. They came here legally. That to me makes all the difference in the world. The options aren't any fewer. The US is not a dumping ground or sanctuary for the disaffected of the world. This is just another way to make excuses for what is clearly wrong. And as for relevance of something that happened a hundred years ago, get over it.

one thing that is completely different is the fact that back then, the germans and irish were not sending most of the money back to germany or ireland, they were committed to a new life in america. the mexicans and other latin americans are happy to take advantage of our social services and our ample supply of jobs, but they have no desire to assimilate into our culture or to become americans. when they have made enough, they will go back to their home country and retire or become business owners, with little contribution to our society

Yes and thank you for pointing it out! Although this is supposed to be about law, it always inevitability comes back to race.....It is about race....And all its doing is creating race wars....