Can a conditioned mind discover the wholeness of life?

To the conditioned mind 'wholeness' is just an idea a theory.

The conditoned mind opereates from the field of knowledge, the

known,which will always be limited.

Knowledge divides us as you and me them and us.

Therefore knowledge without wisdom is divisive.

A divisive mind cannot grasp wholeness.

It is conditioned to maintain division.

I believe the term "conditioned" is a subjective term. So I'll answer from this premise (sic). Yes, I do believe a conitioned mined can discover the wholeness of life. If I was born on a farm with natrual food and reproductive activity, I would be conditioned to think that it was O.K. to grow my own food, and have babies that I looked after until they could look after themselves. There would be no shame in nakedness or sex because that's the way I was "conditioned".

The first condition imposed reduces Whole sum ness.

There is an inherent flaw in human discovery and thought. We can never discover wholeness without first discovering exponentially considerate orientation. Each condition imposed to overcome balance within circumstance prevailed at the expense of living within wholeness, nulifies any oppotunity to fully discover the depth breadth and dimension that we place condition upon

A conditioned mind hesitates the requisite open-ness to look at possibilities beyond sense organs... so very remote chances of discovering the wholeness of life !

A conditioned mind may actually be more equipped to deal with the magnitude of a holistic view of life.

Wholeness is a conceptional idea for each individual, and often times it is standardized by the society in which we reside.

With that said, depending on the conditioning or enlightenment of that person its a matter of adaption and integration of that new information.

I would hate to be North Korean "conditioned". That journey will be a difficult and scary road for them to meet the reality of the world outside of that "sheltered" state. I'm sure overwhelming for many.

Yes, by deconditioning oneself from all the conditions imposed upon at the early stage of childhood, such parental conditioning, religious conditioning, teachers conditioning, society conditioning, political conditioning, nation conditioning. Yoga or Zen or Chan or Jhana, is the best means to decondition the mind so that it no longer get agitated with the sensations created by these conditionings. It restores oneself to one's originality. Once restored to originality, the wholeness of life is experienced. The story of Hakuin is one of the best example of acceptance of whatever life brings in. The story:

"In a village where the great master Hakuin was living, a girl became pregnant. Her father bullied her for the name of her lover, and, in the end, to escape punishment, she told him it was Hakuin.

The father did say nothing more, but when the time came and the child was born, he at once took the baby to Hakuin and threw it down. “It seems that this is your child,” he said, and piled on every insult and sneer at the disgrace of the affair.

The Zen master only said, “Oh, is that so?” And took the baby in his arms. Wherever he went thereafter, he took the baby, wrapped in the sleeve of his ragged robe. During rainy days and stormy nights he would go out to beg milk from the neighbouring houses. Many of his disciples, considering him fallen, turned against him and left. And Hakuin said not a word.

Meantime the mother found she could not bear the agony of separation from her child. She confessed the name of the real father, and her own father rushed to Hakuin and prostrated himself, begging over and over for forgiveness. Hakuin only said, “Oh is that so?” And gave him the child back."

Whatsoever life brings is okay, absolutely okay. This is the mirror-like quality – nothing is good, nothing is bad, all is divine.

Accept life as it is. On such acceptance, desires disappear, tensions disappear, and discontent disappears.

Accepting it as it is; one starts feeling joyful and for no reason at all.

When joy has a reason, it is not going to last long. When joy is without reason, it is going to be there forever.

No. It is as though we are all looking at a baseball game through a knot hole in a fence. It seems to me that a "conditioned mind" would have a smaller knot hole—conditioned by what??!!

Only one that is open enough to question its own conditioning. There are few of those. Most stay stuck in their grove and 'believe' that it is their happiness. Saddening really... All that mind power going to waste.

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The only reason one can claim it's whole is because of teh conditioned mind....why would an unconditioned one ever have such consideration???

Please expound on what you consider a "conditioned" mind.