Creation and Salvation, a package deal?

You are right, I am a Christian however I do not believe the "beauty" of our world *proves* the Bible to be true. The validity of the Bible rests on a whole different foundation

If Genesis is true then creation is true

However if we were created, it does not mean Genesis is true (the Koran could be true instead or any other creation story)

This is actually a few questions. First, the idea that evolution is the product of chance is a misconception. You need to study evolution a bit more or a bit more carefully. I suggest reading "The Blind Watchmaker." Your local library probably has a copy. Briefly evolution is driven by natural selection which is not random chance. Only organisms suited to an environment or with adaptations that improve their ability to survive and reproduce survive long term. Not a random chance process. Also, organisms influence and shape thier environments in unique ways. It does result in beautifully and delicately balance ecosystems but if you look at how radically ecosystems have changed over the geological history of the planet it argues against creation to me.

Second part. Yes, almost all religions have their own varying creation stories. That is what humans do, they create stories that help them cope and explain their world. How to tell which is true when for most the story they happened to be raised on is the one infallible truth? Hard to say. Only you can really answer that for yourself. To do it fairly will take some exploration, reading, and intellectual honesty. Best of luck. Go back on the evolution thing though, you are misunderstanding some of the most basic premises and concepts.

Too much co dependency in species, and the ecosystems of our world are too delicate and precise would make me think you would go the other direction for chance and randomness would create just that.

Thats too bad that you cant see that evolution has nothing to do with random chance. (I just wish, for once, that a Christian would actually take the time to read up on the theory and gain an understanding, as it has NOTHING to do with chance.) Co dependancy in species is what YOU perceive from your own little world..... Evolution sees this as nothing more than one species filling a gap or niche in the overall ecosystem.

Take birds that clean the teeth of hippos..... You think that God created the hippo, then created the bird as the hippos personal dentist. In reality, evolution created the hippos and the birds. The birds needed food. the hippos needed their teeth cleaned. The birds made a deal to clean the teeth of hippos for free food....

Your creation for a purpose is nothing more than one animal filling a niche in the ecosystem.

Dear Daniel R: If you're "game" to read through this, I would like to take you to the Truths of Spirituality. (NOT occult !)

First, regarding your Title to the Question: Creation and Salvation are, indeed, a packaged deal ! In Eternity and within the vastness of a void existed a Spirit-Mind. Human conceptual Intellect then wants to go beyond that and say, "what made that?" Then, "what made that - which made the Spirit-mind?" And so forth. The human Intellect has no ability to conceive of anything beyond horizon lines and borders. Only the visualization of "space" is without borders or horizon lines ! Human Intellect is made to understand the physical - not that which is abstract and generalized - as in the term: He just IS. . .. Make it sufficient to say - there was a First Intelligence. This is the world of spirit-mind - nothing of the physical.

This Spirit-Mind contains an electromagnetic-type of frequency that propels Thought and makes it manifest. The Creator Creates in His Own Likeness - more spirit-minds that man calls Soul. There is nothing physical in Eternity, but the firing molecules of Intelligence. Within this Creator is contained all possibilities for Created life, all Knowledge of forms, and all conceivable outcomes.

“Our real Self is not captive of Space and Time.” W. R. Inge

[ The dimensions of a physical universe.]

The Creator's Kingdom was structured in the format of His highest level of Knowledge and Thought. All Thought - in His Thought pool - is ordered simply as higher or lower thought. Spirit has no judgment mechanism - as in the human Intellect. The Kingdom is made in the purity of His Knowledge as a reflection of His Own Being. It is a Perfection of delicate-ness. A subtle world that is in the throes of a constant, ever expanding Creation.

The delicate-ness of this Eternity is so finely wrought, so finely meshed and of such attunement with it's Creator that it took only a Thought to snap the [ tension of the wire ] of Perfection. This Perfection still lies in its proper place - but is fragmented, presently, rather than Whole.

I speak of the Thought that produced what mankind calls the Great Separation. It took place in Eternity - not in a physical world. The physical arose within Mind. It became a type of reality that can be overcome by the Ultimate Reality of our Creator and His Created.

Evolution is a thought the Created thought in unison. It exists as a thought that was propelled through the Power of God's ability to project Thought - and, that runs through OUR Beings, in our One-ness with Him. Evolution is a replica of Creation Thought - in a different experience - of physical-ness.

Salvation is the path of Return to our Ultimate Reality and the path is found within the thinking of the physical world ; for our Greater Reality exists in and around all aspects of physical life.

Jesus is one of the Created, as are all of us, BUT He answered the Call that went out through the Sonship, in Eternity, to demonstrate God's Nature, God's consciousness, before the "sons" - for their Remembrance of Him - while they Journey. He completed His role to Perfection and is in charge, now, of our Return.

It is the human tendency of its Intellect to feel separated and to sometimes deny its Creator. Through spiritual and religious teachings, Spirit-Mind is brought forward to the Center of the human mind. It is the Connection (like an umbilical cord) to it's Creator. Evolution exists inside of the Created. The experience of a differently structured "Kingdom." How the minute details of such an evolution could come into being has to do with the Knowledge - that God's Thought pool afforded - and His Power flowing through the Created. Our souls contain the knowing of physical-ness.

Since you WERE Created, it is certain you shall be salvaged from this physical world and Returned to your Creator, re-purified by means of an appointed Journey (spiritual). The RECOGNITION of higher thought and a Perfection that exists in the structuring of higher thought (God's Eternal Kingdom) brings us back into more finely attunement with our Creator. When the "sonship," in UNISON, has this RECOGNITION, Return belongs to ALL.

Sincerely, Lana

So much you list in one supposed question. I will touch on it as much as I can and in the space allowed here, but can barely make a dent. This is why the Bible is a big book, has much to tell.. No Creaton and salvation arent a package deal. Should be, but arent. We were all created. God created ppl and animals, and one did not evolve from the other. BUt, things change over years. such as animals in colder climates grow more hair to keep warm, etc. They change to fit their surroundsing, but they were always an animal, Ppl also breed different animals and come from different speicies, to make anoter breed of their kid, but they are still the original. Dogs make other dogs, horses make horses, etc. and God created all of us. But none of evolution rings true and was denounced by darwin himself before he died. just becuase things change doesnt mean they were once another animal or something. if we came from monkeys, how come some are still monkeys? It just gets ridiculous, and the Bible warns us about false science in 1 tim 6:20 . if its not what God says in His word, its false. period. settles it for us Christians.

You ask if the Bible is the only way for a Christian. Yes. Its not the only way of false religion. But, God tells us that we are to be followers of Jesus Christ, and that any religion that does not have the doctrine of Jesus Christ is false religion and we are to flee from it. That simple. You either believe the Bible or you dont, and no one can make you and shouldnt even try. God gives free choice Himself. But there are serous conseques to what you deceide to believe or reject. Bible gets into all that too. Dont know why so many mock the Bible and God, without even knowing fully what all God says. I say read it, study it, pray and see what happens. You will soon see your entire life changed. Just ask God< BE REAL TO ME IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, and see what happens. So yes the Bible is the only true word of God. period. but noone has to believe that. But to be Christian, yes. Word Christian, doesnt it hit you. the CHRIST at the front of the word. follower of JESUS, so there is no other way to be Christian, tho one may believe in other so called gods and messiahs, they cant use the Christian labe. and cant use it either if they dont obey the true God. GOd says if you love me, you obey, and we know that we need Gods guidance and direction , becaue He knows far more than we do. On our own, we can think we are doing right, but arent. deception from the devil is something he is always trying to do, to be sure we are lost, like he is.

you are correct that there had to be creations. moon hangs by accident, and doesnt fall. gravity is kool, huh? stars hang, sun sets and rises as it should. all by happenstance of a big bang explosion. God tells us He always way, and He created everything else. On some level we cant truly get that depth of that. But, easier to believe that.. Evolution says we came from some big bang thing of planets colliding... where did the planets come from? Kinda like what comes first the chicken or the egg. What we do is believe the one that most makes sense, and then judge all things according to Gods word, and what He says. If you study the WHOLE BIble, more clicks in daily and it goes together like a big giant puzzle, one piece at a time, to make a beautiful picture, in fullness and entirity. Start taking putting pieces in yourself, one at a time. Each new thing you read of God is a piece.. what He shows you is another piece. Just keep working on the puzzle God gives you and you will soon see enough to KNOW God is true, The true Christian God, a triuna God of three acting as one. God the father, God the Son, and God the HOly Spirit that all have different functions. The Holy Spirit is to convict. Jesus is to save. and Father God started it all. The others hear Him and do as He says also.

Blessed trinity. start studying today, and go to ppl who know a lot and study, start ask questions, and then check out all they say in prayer and study against scripture. Its not what you or I think, or anyone else. Its what GOD alone thinks. There you go. you made my deal. Only thru Jesus Christ are we saved. But we had to be created first, so in a way, wa la, we do togehter there somewhat,but salvation is not guaranteed to anyone, nor is Heaven. Its only possible becuse of Jesus and only possible if one loves Jesus and obeys Him and asks Him in to be their personal saviour. Wow, I could write pages and pages, but gotta go for now. Hope this gets you interested in study for yourself. For non believers I say this, study deeply and sincerely, and see if you can proove Him wrong. NO WAY< not if you walk in truth and let Only God guide you. Press on dear brother.

No.

You dont HAVE to believe in both of them.

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