Do atheists who believe that the Big bang occurred from nothing agree with the First law of thermodynamics?

the big bang didn't happen from nothing. it was a meeting point of two or more different dimensions.

Tensor math shows this but they can't prove it.

For a start, the laws of thermodynamics, or physics or chemistry, are not applicable when the density of matter approaches infinity as was the case an instant before the big bang occurred. Secondly, scientists have no need to feel apologetic towards superstitious halfwits just because the theory for everything is still in its infancy. We know that gravitons can travel between dimensions and maybe pick up a bit of matter and drag it into our dimension. The formula that describes the condition of the universe prior to the big bang is still being researched and may not be explained for another hundred or even a thousand years. That is not a slur on the men of science who can only advance as fast as current technology will allow.

First of all, I'm not an atheist, but I am a "wannabe" scientist and I can tell you this much: beyond the first fraction of a second of time scientists do not yet know what happened. However, saying "God did it" is NOT science - its religion.

It used to be believed that the speed of light could not be exceeded, but it has been determined that the expansion of the early universe was so fast that the speed of light was clearly exceeded, possibly because the early universe was so phenomenally energetic and HOT. Science is a process that "sifts and winnows" information over time. As our knowledge progresses, our understanding progresses. To say "God did it" will not satisfy a scientist. Answer the question "HOW did God do it?" and then you are on to something.

BTW: once scientists figure out what happened at the earliest point of the universe the first law of thermodynamics may very well be preserved. You are operating under an unproven assumption.

Also, to the poster above that says that "the universe has always been here" - that is NOT true. The universe is billions of years old, but it did have a beginning.

Carl Sagon In one of his episodes of "Cosmos" hinted at one of the Hindu legends of Brama and how it related to a multi-billion year cycle which (if there is a certian amount of mass in the universe) would eventully lead back into a big crunch and where by all the matter would reasemble the laws and properties of all matter and the cycle would start anew. If this is true I wonder at how many times that has happened.

Read the book of genisis (the 6 days of Repairing the world)((I can explain what i mean by that if any ones interested)) as if u were going to teraform Mars and it will be obviously clear that there is indeed a God who wears a lab coat loves mathematical elgance and has infinite patience and infinite wisdom

Incidently, all these new theroies

like string theroy, or multiverses , anti time, and even some Religions fight over the same answer.... how?

FORGET "HOW" your wasting ur time, best to find out "why". That answer is simple: to take care of each other AND the Earth.

To fight about how something began possibly trillions of ages ago is pointless.

I think many Atheists think the way they do is because of the Bible, says that the universe was created in six days, this is what is hard to believe as we know that the universe took millions of years to form.

Let's look what was the big bang? A mass of gases which one day exploded and created the universe. If a religion stated centuries before the theory came about would we believe there is a God?

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? " (Quran 21:31)

The Quran in many translations say that the universe was created in six days, the word used for days is "Yawm" this can mean very long periods of time (i.e. epochs). So you see God did create the Universe!

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No one who has any real understanding of the Big Bang will tell you that it came from "nothing"......

The circumstances that created it are simple enough to comprehend, if you have a mind capable of doing so.

It's all rather simple...

All matter (and energy) confined to no space......since this is an impossibility, something radical has to happen. That radical occurrence is the Big Bang...

Compress a cubic yard of air into a cubic inch...and then keep compressing it, and eventually, you'll have a "little bang" for the very same reason.

What was the force that compelled the compression?? Gravity...

How did "all matter" become dense enough to occupy no space?? Inertia

All very simple properties of matter....no hocus pocus.....everything works as usual, until it cannot work anymore..

The Big Bang is the result of the mathematical equivalent of infinity divided by zero......the answer isn't possible, but it was necessary....so.....BANG...

Namaste, and Happy New Year,

--Tom

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Don't believe every man made theory about the universe...

As of now, we don't know if string theory is true or false. Theories tend to become accepted as experimental evidence supports them.

string theory is just that a theory, not fact.

We do not have the answers to how our universe has come to exist. Belief in God takes us much faith as to believe in some man made theories which we call science.

You choose your own faith, but don't call uneducated to the people that believe in God, that makes you sound ignorant and arrogant.

Science is nothing but man made theories. You put your faith in man and some people put their faith in God.

Science doesn't even say with certainty that the universe had a beginning never mind say "when the big bang occured"-it requires a theory of quantum gravity before that can be established so that kind of pulls the rug from under you. You cannot win the argument if you're not even aware of the basic facts and are willing to churn out blatant falsehoods.

I'm not sure who told you that atheists believe that the big bang came from nothing but they were wrong. You were ill informed. The big bang theory never said that all of this came from nothing. Are you making this up trying to prove a point? I really find it amusing when people create scenarios to try to back up their beliefs or prove an ideology. More rhetoric. Try asking a legitimate question.