Best answer gets 10 pts:If God didn't create the Stars until the 4th "Day", then...?

This is not speaking about that you are thinking is it speaking about. The two lights spoke of on the 4th day are not speaking about the sun and the moon it is refering to the sending of the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ and the sending of the Holy Spirit. notice the word rule. Also recalling that Jesus said i will send a greater then myself. Speaking of the Holy Spirit. The 4th day in the diaglog of Genesis is refering to the 4000 years of mankind. When it speak of the 4th day. The stars refered to in 1:16 is not speaking of a literal stars this is speaking of the anglic host that are servants to Christ and the Church.

The lights of the heavens were in fact created on the first day. These are the star, planets and moons. All the heavenly bodies.

This is proved by great study so learn some hebrew and go for it.

Is it not writen God is light 1 john 1:5. Christ is light as well and the holy spirit is light as well.

Very good question. If more people thought to investigate this, there would be faster progress here and now.

The first book of Genesis reveals the only and true creation. This is a spiritual creation (not material or subject to such seeming law). The first light is God (not a solar star). His Truth illuminates infinity and is good. The division of light from darkness indicates the destruction of any seeming notion that darkness (lack of spiritual truth) ever existed.

In Revelations, we learn of a place where there isn’t any Night. Night is a false belief or supposed condition of the human condition.

The light of Truth is everywhere, and now God is revealing His ideas of the universe in forms of stars, etc. The stars have no power to be seen without the light of Truth, because God does not share His power with objects of thought or His image.

Things are less confusing when one comes to the realization that God creates only one way, spiritually, and it is opposite of what our default belief settings are here and now, in regards to substance, life, and truth.

Have a good new year!

You've misunderstood the account. Reading Genesis 1:1 & 2 you can see the the heavens and earth were created, the following verses refer to the work done to prepare the earth to support life then the life on it. The fourth creative day made it possible to see the sun, moon and stars and measure time from the standpoint of a man on the earth; so now we have the references you mention in you question. It should be noted that what is now known scientifically about the earth and its development. including the life on it. is in the order recorded in the Genesis account. As far as time is concerned, we know the universe is billions of years old and that certain stages of the earths development is many millions of years each. This is also true of each creative day. each day was of an unspecified period of many millions of years. A day in the Bible has been called a watch in the night, see Psalm 90:4 or 1,000 years, see 2 Peter 3: 8; how many times have the terms ''not in my day'', or in my gran's/grand-dad's day, or ''in the day of king/queen'', all referring to periods of time and not a literal 24hr day. And no, the Bible, God's word written by human penmen under inspiration of holy spirit, [see 2 Peter 1:20, 21] does not state the creative days to be 24hrs each. But now we can measure time. we're able to plan our days and seasonal periods,measure vast distances of millions of light years, calculate launch times for space exploration such as the probes sent to mars; so the way Jehovah has done things has been for the benefit of us all and we should praise and thank him for it; the pictures captured by the hubble telescope are awesome and inspire such praise of our creator.

Gen 1:3 - And God said,.... This phrase is used, nine times in this account of the creation; it is admired by Longinus the Heathen in his treatise "of the Sublime", as a noble instance of it; and it is most beautifully paraphrased and explained in Psa_33:6 as expressive of the will, power, authority, and efficacy of the divine Being; whose word is clothed with power, and who can do, and does whatever he will, and as soon as he pleases; his orders are always obeyed. Perhaps the divine Person speaking here is the Logos or Word of God, which was in the beginning with God, and was God, and who himself is the light that lightens every creature. The words spoke were,

let there be light, and there was light: it at once appeared; "God commanded light to shine out of darkness"; as the apostle says, 2Co_4:6 this was the first thing made out of the dark chaos; as in the new creation, or work of grace in the heart, light is the first thing produced there: what this light was is not easy to say. Some of the Jewish Rabbins, and also some Christian writers, think the angels are designed by it, which is not at all probable, as the ends and use of this light show: others of them are of opinion, that it is the same with the sun, of which a repetition is made on the fourth day, because of its use and efficacy to the earth, and its plants; but others more rightly take it to be different from the sun, and a more glimmering light, which afterwards was gathered into and perfected in the body of the sun (f). It is the opinion of Zanchius (g), and which is approved of by our countryman, Mr. Fuller (h), that it was a lucid body, or a small lucid cloud, which by its circular motion from east to west made day and night (i); perhaps somewhat like the cloudy pillar of fire that guided the Israelites in the wilderness, and had no doubt heat as well as light; and which two indeed, more or less, go together; and of such fiery particles this body may well be thought to consist. The word "Ur" signifies both fire and light.

(f) Vid. Menasseh ben Israel conciliator in Gen. qu. 2. (g) De Operibus Dei, par. 3. l. 1. c. 2. col. 239. and l. 2. c. 1. (h) Miscell. Sacr. l. 1. c. 12. (i) Milton seems to be of the same mind:----- -----and forthwith light. Ethereal, first of things, quintessence pure, Sprung from the deep, and from her native east To journey thro' the airy gloom began, Sphered in a radiant cloud, for yet the sun Was not; she in a cloudy tabernacle Sojourned the while.----- Paradise Lost, B. 7. l. 243, &c.

They were not created as it says in the book of Genesis in the Bible. The universe was created some 14 to 15 X 1,000,000,000 years ago or more and the stars didn't start appearing till a billion years after that approximately. They are still being created. That is based on the best scientific astronomical evidence. The earth is 4.6 billion years old and this is again based on precise scientific dating. The earth rotating on its axis is what determines a day. The writers of Genesis thought the earth was flat and the sun (our star) moving from horizon to horizon determined a day.

According to the author of this book (Moses) the sun is not a star. Remember a definition is all the speaker's mind. There is no one source for how a word is defined. In Moses's mind, the sun is not a star. Just remember though, God does things that we can not imagine. How could the darkness and the lightness be mixed. What would that look like? Anyways, if you dont want to believe the creation story literally, that's fine too. I'm sure God won't send you to hell for it. I am a Christian... I believe in creation but I do not believe it occured as stated in Genesis and I do not believe in Adam and Eve.

For God, the sun and the moon were a lesser and greater light, but that is all they are. What light is God speaking of that is outside of the need for either of those stars? and came before them? I believe He is talking about Himself, as He says "I am the light of the world". God separating the day and the night is no trouble to God without the initial need of created lights that He created for us. Whatever the real answer, it could remain a mystery, but we can still consider what this "light" really was. Certainly, He makes it clear that He was not working in the dark ;)

As one creationist said "I don't know how He did it, but whatever means He used, there were no problems"...afterall He happens to be God, the creater of anything and everything, permanent or temporary.

Your question poses that God was not quite omnipotent and omniscient.... No problem to a believer, and no problem to God. A stumbling block to one who places limits on the unlimited.

However, I have to say, you've asked an excellent question regardless and thank you for asking it, because at times God truly 'defies belief" ;) and there are many things that challenge the faith of a believer, who at times has to put aside his need to limit or always understand the unlimited and not always understandable.

God's ways are not our ways and I truly believe He has set things out not only logically, but to also test ones faith. For if man himself had created the bible, he would not give such an account, knowing how much it would require a person to use his faith! It is obvious to me that it comes from God and anybody who wrote that, would wish to make it much easier and set out so man could readily always absorb it and be satisfied.

God bless you.

The answer is we don't know for sure what a Day is referring to. A day can be defined as a phase, or a certain period of time. A could be the 24 hours that we know today (which wasn't invented yet), or a day could be equivalent to billions and billions of years. Based on the chronological order of the creation, evolution and creationism may not contradict each other, but different labels to the same phenomenon. It has been once said that scientific discovery is the uncovering of God's works.

The time span of a day passed, it was a day, whether there was any sun and moon (or stars) marking the time or not. The bigger question, especially for those who say "a day to God is like 1000 years to us" is, how did the plants live for 1000 years without a sun? Besides, the "creation" tales of the first chapter of genesis aren't even consistent with the second chapter. Piffle!

A day is a man made concept, days do not exist whithout a sun which we base our days on. Think about this if the whole universe blinked out of existence evey now and again and reapeared later, has time truly passed between the two points? Time itself does not exist without matter.