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Why do conservatives deny the scientific consensus on global warming?
I said earlier today I would get a list of statements on global warming from all the well established scientific organizations engaged in meteorologic, geologic, and climatic research. This is what I have so far and I'm not even finished!
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The American Meteorology Society (AMS)is a PRIVATE scientific organization founded in 1919 and consisting of over 11,000 meteorology professionals.
http://www.ametsoc.org/aboutams/index.html
"Despite the uncertainties noted above, there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; that humans have significantly contributed to this change; and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems, and on wildlife through the 21st century and beyond."
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The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is led by government scientists from several nations, as well as several hundred academic scientists and researchers.
"Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (defined in footnotes as greater then 90% likelyhood) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (meaning man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations"
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The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is an honorary society of distinguished scholars engaged in scientific research. Election to the Academy is considered one of the highest honors that can be accorded to a scientist or engineer. It has over 2,000 members of whom more then 200 have won a Nobel Prize. The NAS was created by President Abraham Lincoln on March 3, 1863. As mandated in its Act of Incorporation, the NAS has, since 1863, served to "investigate, examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art" whenever called upon to do so by any department of the government.
http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=...
The NAS along with the national science academies of the G8 nations (France, Russia, Germany, Japan, Italy and Canada) plus those of Brazil, China and India created and adopted the following joint statement on global warming:
"There is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities... The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action. It is vital that all nations identify cost-effective steps that they can take now, to contribute to substantial and long-term reduction in net global greenhouse gas emissions."
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The American Geophysical Union is a PRIVATE scientific organization founded in 1919 and consisting of over 45,000 geophysicist professionals.
Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century... A particular concern is that atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide may be rising faster than at any time in Earth's history, except possibly following rare events like impacts from large extraterrestrial objects... Moreover, research indicates that increased levels of carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for hundreds to thousands of years. It is virtually certain that increasing atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will cause global surface climate to be warmer."
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The Geological Society of America (GSA) is a PRIVATE scientific organization founded in 1888 and consisting of over 20,500 geoscience professionals.
http://www.geosociety.org/aboutus/intro.htm
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth’s climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries. Furthermore, the potential implications of global climate change and the time scale over which such changes will likely occur require active, effective, long-term planning. GSA also supports statements on the global climate change issue made by the joint national academies of science (June 2005), American Geophysical Union (December, 2003), and American Chemical Society (2004)."
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The American Chemical Society is the world's largest (PRIVATE) scientific organization with over 160,000 chemistry professionals. It was founded in 1876.
"There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century... The overwhelming balance of evidence indicates that reducing greenhouse gas emissions is the prudent and responsible course of action at this time. Although vigorous climate research is certainly needed to reduce uncertainties and to identify potential adverse effects, it should not forestall prudentaction now to address the issue. ACS believes that public and private efforts today are ePssential to protect the global climate system for the well-being of future generations."
The Geological Society of London is the world's oldest PRIVATE scientific organization in the world. It was founded in 1807. It is also the largest geoscience organization in Europe with over 9,000 members.
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/template.cfm?name=geoabo...
"Global climate change is increasingly recognised as the key threat to the continued development – and even survival - of humanity... We find that the evidence for human-induced climate change is now persuasive, and the need for direct action compelling."
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Scientists use ice core data, satellite data, other types of data, and advanced mathematical models of Earth's climate. There is HARD COMPLICATED SCIENCE in these models. Structural engineers use Finite Model Analyses models to analyse structures. Aerospace engineers use spacecraft simulation environment models to test flight software. Climate scientists also have their own models.
"The physics in climate models can be divided into three categories. The first includes fundamental principles such as the conservation of energy, momentum, and mass, and processes, such as those of orbital mechanics, that can be calculated from fundamental principles. The second includes physics that is well known in theory, but that in practice must be approximated due to discretization of continuous equations. Examples include the transfer of radiation through the atmosphere and the Navier–Stokes equations of fluid motion. The third category contains empirically known physics such as formulas for evaporation as a function of wind speed and humidity."
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- ?Lv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
The link you provide includes the following:
"Why is climate changing?
Climate has changed throughout geological history, for many natural reasons such as changes in the sun’s energy received by Earth arising from slow orbital changes, or changes in the sun’s energy reaching Earth’s surface due to volcanic eruptions. In recent decades, humans have increasingly affected local, regional, and global climate by altering the flows of radiative energy and water through the Earth system (resulting in changes in temperature, winds, rainfall, etc.), which comprises the atmosphere, land surface, vegetation, ocean, land ice, and sea ice. Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change."
And yet, even with that rather strong conclusion, these scientists, in this report, do *NOT* give any scientific estimates of the percentage of global warming caused by natural variation of the sun...no answer...*NONE*.
Yet they, and *YOU* conclude that man is a "major contributor." I say...prove it...scientifically. Your article does not do that.
- 5 years ago
Ummm what consensus. The National Organization for Climatologists came out with a statement signed by over 9,345 climatologists that states there is NO consensus since the data is NOT solid. Right now global warming is still classified as theory amongst scientists not fact. Real science embraces debate, not discourages it. Only those with a hidden agenda try to squelch debate and opposing views. Show me one scientist that can absolutely claim global warming is real and that will be the first one. Mars is undergoing a warming too, with the same conditions but you ignore that, how scientific can you really be? Piece of advise, stop reading blogs and go to another topic, this one is beyond your comprehension. Thanks for the easy 2 points.
- 1 decade ago
The Truth is most people do not dispute the fact of global warming. I am no exception I am willing to admit these points as scientifically factual
1) The earth has indeed warmed since the start of the industrial age
2) That human habitation particularly in the modern era can affect local weather and ecosystems
these are the facts that 85-90% of us agree on both in and out of the scientific community
The disputes lie
1. In the Homogeneous nature of climate change on a global scale.
2. accepting that global warming is detrimental to the human population, in general, on a global scale.
3. Accepting that the measures put forth by parties like the UN in Kyoto accord will have any meaningful effect on global warming and that that effect outweighs the economic damage done by these measure -vs- the economic damage by global warming itself on a global scale.
My issue with the Global warming Scare crowd like Al Gore ( not so much with the scientific community) is that they are much like Chicken little. they run off making predictions and proposing measures without truly understanding the facts or the consequences. let me give an example of measures that have been rashly proposed based on preliminary scientific data without fully resurching the facts and outcome
A few yrs. ago in Europe the found that Coconut oil Was a perfect alternative fule sourceand many governments subsidized goversion to the use of Coconut oil from fossil fuels. these were the pertinent facts they based their decision on
1. Coconut oil is a renewable energy source
2. The carbon emissions emitted by burning coconut oil was neutral because the coconut groves planted to produce the oil acted as a natural carbon credit to the co2 emitted by burning this fuel
3. this new fuel source was priced independent of fossil fuels and the nations that control them
Sounds like "Everything is great in smallville" something you could get behind and support right! Carbon neutral, Renewable and cost less and with less market volatility than fossil fuels everyones a winner right? WRONG!
turns out the scientist forgot to factor in some details
True facts on this issue
1 Turns out Coconut oil is not carbon neutral when you factor in they had to slash and burn rain forest to plant coconut plantations. the smoke and and co2. emitted by the fires as well as the destruction of rain forest which are superior carbon sinks than coconut groves ans well as the globes air conditioners resulted in a rather significant net loss in carbon reduction.
2. Turns out that all fuels both fossil and renewable tend to move in sympathy on the global market and while there was some net gain in was no where near that projected by it's proponents
Now I ask you to accept these truths as facts
1> The consensus reached in the scientific community that you speak of is not as clear as you many Alarmist trumpet. What they did conclude in a consensus opinion is that the globe is warming and that the effects of industrialization likely have been a contributing factor in this warming. I personally am Comfortable with that as near fact. However, note they did not nor have they ever issued a consensus opinion that homogeonicity was the primary or even the prominent cause of this global warming.
2. The accuracy of any weather model beyond a few months is extremely variable and cannot be relied upon with any certitude especially on a global scale. Christ! we can't predict regional weather phenomena like El-Nino beyond a few months let alone global weather out 100 yrs
3. That taking the alarmist at their word and implementing the Kyoto accords in the U.S. will have a net saving of the world carbon emissions of about 1% when taking natural and man made output globally. Do a little research yourself you will find this is accurate! And the America is the worlds largest producer of industrial co2 output.
In conclusion. I am a rational man while I do not take the claims of global warming alarmist as an immutable fact. I do not discount the possibility that man can have a significant effect on global climate. I am not even opposed to taking measures to counter global warming if taken in prudent way taking into account the benefits vs the harm and as long as it is based on sound science not speculation or theory. I also ask the alarmist among you to consider the possibility that global warming whether it be natural or man made is already progressed to the degree that measures we take will have a negligible effect on the process and that half baked schemes and plans can actually have a negative effect on humanity *** a whole when measured against the small benefit they provide.
These are all things to ponder my friends for the ratinal thinking man or woman!
- TheOrange EvilLv 71 decade ago
There's not a consensus - it's just easier to get scientific grants if you're willing to do a study on global warming or concede that global warming exists and poses a threat to the Earth.
It's called bullying. Would you rather jump on the global warming bandwagon or have your reputation ruined and never receive funding for your projects?
I'm not a conservative. I am a capitalist, though, and the first thing that turned me off to global warming was that it's anti-progress, anti-business, and anti-capitalism. After I started to research the subject, it became evident that global warming was like a religion to its adherents. I've never been much for religion or joinin', so naturally I was skeptical. Finally, I discovered how little science there was to actually prove global warming.
The best counterargument I've seen against global warming is a documentary made by the BBC. I am posting it in my source links for you to check out when you have time.
*Edit: The link I provided you is dead. I found a link to the documentary's website, though. You can watch a trailer and read the arguments.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
well... apparently they think that the majority of scientists have a HUGE AGENDA to destroy America? when it comes down to it... the majority of conservatives seem to be HUGE conspiracy theorists when you ask them "why would someone do x?" like why would someone "make up global warming"... "make up the things the "liberal media" says".."push for welfare, social security, healthcare"
they start rambling about a communist conspiracy at the root of it...
but back to global warming... this is the scientist's best opinion based on the facts they have gathered...
you may not be able to prove it until it becomes much too late to do anything about the problem....
if you wake up in the middle of the night and smell smoke strongly in your house... do you go back to bed because you don't see or feel the flames of the fire and you can't prove there is a fire? or do you take percautions based on the evidence you have... even though it may not actually be a fire...
I mean... KISS could have just got done doing a very quiet concert in your back yard and the smoke was from that?
- HarryLv 51 decade ago
You posted all of these quotes from respected scientist, and even included all the links to their websites. And yet, these people are still in denial. I just don't understand these guys.
That one guy is trying to say that science is not about consensus, it's about facts.
Well, how about a consensus on the facts? All of these scientists, from a dozen different countries, all agree that global warming is happening and that it is caused by man! They aren't just agreeing on opinions, they are agreeing on facts.
For Pete's sake people, pull your heads out of your rear ends and start listening to the people that actually know what they are talking about!!
- netjrLv 61 decade ago
Consensus is not science its an opinion. I know you have been told this but ignore it because your agenda doesn't work on science it works on opinion.
You have done a great deal of research on the consensus of global warming now you need to do your complete homework and type in the search words: Global Warming Myth in the seach engine and gather some FACTS.
- 1 decade ago
To the white trash: Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are not scientists. Their ignorant notions and social conjectures are not needed to make a consensus among REAL scientists who can actually support their claims.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
ok...we have global warming...what do you want to do,realistically,to fix it?...that defines as something that wont bankrupt a hundred countries economies and therefore is likely to happen?...c'mon...give me a fix that everybody will be on board with..that wil do something about Global Warming and do it soon enough to do some good and wont cost us everything we have ever built.....we will have to find alternate energy sources for coal,that costs the same,for gasoline,that costs the same.and a 1000 other things,that cost the same..or you wont get enough countries on board....until you can do that,and give us a solution for it that everybody concerned will follow...shut up about it...it aint gonna happen
- Joe CLv 51 decade ago
And why won't you answer the following question:
"Why did all of the ice ages melt, prior to the time of an industrialized society?"
The Myth of Global Warming is a distraction from our real problems and a threat to our national security. Why can't you liberals understand that (of course, you don't understand anything and you have a mental disorder, but don't know it)?