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Anonymous asked in TravelAfrica & Middle EastIsrael · 1 decade ago

Why are these people still considered refugees?

Why are these people in West Bank called Palestinians, why are they still considered refugees after 60 years they are still acting like refugess and playing the matyr's, the jewish people forced out of Arab countires 60 years 3 generations later have moved on and become succesful why can these arab moaners in west bank not just shut up and get on with it, go and live in one of the other 3 counties around them, LIKE THEY were told to do by the ARABS, why can they not live in the HALF OF PALESTINE that the arabs got its called JORDAN.

Can anyone explain why after 60 years of arab myth making propoganda we still have to accept that this people are supposed to be refugees.

Jews in Arab countries. Jews have lived since Biblical times in what are now Arab countries. After the Roman conquest, Jews were dispersed, mostly to what are now the Arab countries of North Africa and the Middle East. Many Jews migrated to the Iberian peninsula – Spain and Portugal. They were expelled from those countries at the end of the 15th century. They mostly migrated to the Arab countries, where, by now, they have been living for almost 500 years, many Jews for over 2,000 years.

There is a myth that Jews had an easy life in Muslim/Arab countries. The opposite is the case. Jews under Islam were treated as second-class citizens and worse. The relationship was governed by a system of discrimination, intended to reduce the Jews in those Arab countries to conditions of humiliation, segregation and violence. They were excluded from society, from government, and from most professions. They were barely tolerated and often, under the slightest pretext or no pretext at all, were victimized by vicious violence.

When Israel declared its statehood in 1948, pogroms broke out across the entire Arab/Muslim world. Thousands died in this violence. Their homes and businesses were destroyed, their women violated. The vast majority of those Jews fled from where they had lived for centuries. They had to leave everything behind. Most of those who were able to escape found their way to the just-created state of Israel.

Over 850,000 Jews were driven from Arab countries, most of them in 1948, at the birth of Israel. Most of the remainder were chased out during or immediately following the Six-Day War in 1967, when, in fury about the disastrous defeat, the “Arab street” erupted and subjected its Jewish population to bloody pogroms. Israel received every one of those Jewish refugees from Arab countries with brotherly open arms; it housed, fed, and quickly integrated them into Israeli society. They and their descendants now make up more than one-half of the country’s population.

A different history. It is instructive to compare the history of those Jewish refugees with that of the Arabs who fled from Israel during its War of Independence. There were about 650,000 of them. Most left following the strident invocations of their leaders, who urged them to leave, so as to make room for the invading Arab armies. After victory was to be achieved, they could return to reclaim their property and that of the Jews, all of whom would have been killed or would have fled.

In contrast to the Jewish refugees, who were quickly integrated into Israel, the Arab countries resolutely refused to accept the Arab refugees into their societies. They confined them into so-called refugee camps. Those camps are essentially extended slum cities, where their descendants — now the fourth generation — have been living ever since. The reason for the Arabs’ refusal to accept them was and still is the desire to keep them as a festering sore and to make solution of the Arab/Israel conflict impossible. These “refugees,” whose number has by now miraculously increased from their original 650,000 to 5 million, are seething with hatred toward Israel and provide the cadres of terrorists and suicide bombers.

The Palestinian refugees occupy a unique place in the concern of the world. Since 1947, there have been over 100 UN resolutions concerning the Palestinian refugees. But there has not been one single resolution addressing the horrible injustices done to the nearly one million Jewish refugees from the Arab states.

There have been many millions of refugees in the wake of the Second World War. With only one exception, none of those refugee groups occupy the interest of the world and of the United Nations in a major way. That one exception are the Palestinian refugees. In fact, a special branch of the United Nations (UNWRA) exists only for the maintenance of those “refugees.” In the almost sixty years of the existence of this agency it has cost many billions of dollars, most of it — you guessed it — contributed by the United States.

Jewish refugees from the Arab countries are the forgotten refugees. The world, and especially of course the Arabs, claim compensation from Israel for the Arab refugees and insist on their return to what has been Israel for almost 60 years. The Jewish refugees from Arab countries, all Israelis now, have no desire to return to their ancient homelands, where they had been treated so shabbily and so brutally. But if there is to be any compensation, those forgotten Jewish refugees are certainly entitled to such compensation as much as the Arab refugees. Anything else would be an outrage and a great

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The myth of “occupation” being the cause of conflict. The very concept of “occupation,” as applied to Gaza and Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”), is a myth. When the Egyptians were in possession of Gaza for almost twenty years nobody accused them of being occupiers. The Jordanians, who were in possession of Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”) and much of Jerusalem for the same length of time, were not considered occupiers by the nations of the world and by the inhabitants of the area. The Israelis were considered “occupiers” when, after a war of extermination against them, they prevailed and came into possession of these territories. The oldest rule of warfare is that to the victor belong the spoils. Do people expect France to return Alsace-Lorraine to Germany? Do they expect the Czech Republic or Poland to return the German territories awarded to them after Germany’s defeat in World War II? Of course not!

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Of course not! Those countries evicted most of the original inhabitants or caused them to flee. Israel, in contrast, has never evicted a single Arab from these territories. On the contrary, lured by the prosperity the Israelis have created, tens of thousands of Arabs from adjacent Syria and Jordan have come to live there.

Israel’s “occupation” of those territories is a myth. But even so, the hope that Israel’s abandonment of any territory – the same old “land-for-peace” formula – would bring about peace is an illusion and a fallacy. In order to establish peaceful relations with its northern neighbor Lebanon, Israel abandoned the security zone of southern Lebanon. But instead of acknowledgment and gratitude, the result has been never-ending attacks with Katyusha rockets, led by Hizbullah, the “army of God,”

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It makes life on Israel’s northern frontier almost unbearable. Israel, unilaterally and in order to appease the Palestinians, the United States and world opinion, vacated Gaza and evicted thousands of Israeli families and abandoned their homes, institutions, extensive agricultural installations, and valuable infrastructure. Not a single Israeli citizen, not a single Israeli soldier, remains in Gaza. But, in the few months since it has abandoned that territory, Israel has been provoked to bloody warfare and has been subjected to daily attacks by Qassam rockets. It is only a matter of time until one of those devices will crash into a school or into a hospital causing untold casualties and destroying vital infrastructure.

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Destruction and almost civil war. Instead of using their newly won “liberty from occupation,” the Gazans have engaged in what is practically a bloody civil war and have destroyed most of their meager infrastructure. They have demolished and vandalized the valuable and extensive greenhouse installations that the Israelis had created, which could have been the basis for a prosperous agricultural economy and of substantial export income. But they focus their efforts and their energy on digging tunnels under the wall that separates them from Israel, in order to attack Israeli military, killing and kidnapping their soldiers, and thus bringing added misery upon themselves. Having the disastrous examples of the withdrawal from the southern Lebanon security zone and now from Gaza, it is easy to imagine what would happen if Israel would not have learned from experience and

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under pressure from the U.S. and world opinion – would commit the folly of abandoning Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”). While Gaza is isolated, surrounded by Israel and the sea, the “West Bank” is connected to Syria and Jordan. Within days of Israel’s abandonment of that territory, Syrian tanks, Syrian aircraft, Syrian artillery, and Syrian and perhaps even Iranian troops would be stationed on the ridges of the Judean hills that dominate Israel’s heartland. That heartland is only nine miles wide at its narrow waist. Israel’s population centers, Israel’s military installations, Israel’s industrial capacity, Israel’s utilities, and Israel’s international airport would be in the gunsights of the Arabs, sworn to the destruction of Israel. The attack against Israel, the hoped-for final assault against the hated Jews, would begin within days or weeks and might well be successful.

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The Palestinians (A myth to call them that), along with most other Arabs and Moslems, are single-mindedly focused on the destruction of Israel, to “wipe it off the map.” If Israel were pressured into ending the “occupation” of the territories, it would not bring peace. On the contrary, it would bring about bloody warfare, just as in Gaza and Lebanon, and could well be the end of Israel. Those who advocate the ending of the “occupation” do so either out of ignorance or because they have a death wish for Israel.

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To Allah Arafat, YOU HAVE no right of return and how come its now 6 million, in 48 there was only 650,000. and those 650,000 should have stayed and become productive citizens living in peace, it serves them right for listening to the Arab leaders at the time who predicted a win for arabs instead of the severe beating they took instead.

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To AUSSIE, I think you are totally missing the point ! You said "

They are refugees because they are stateles, pure and simple I am talking about those disspossed in 1948 and ending up in neighbouring countires,"

Well Hello AUSSIE wake up, exactly the point WHY after 60 odd years in neighbouring countires are they still refugees WHY are they not landsmen of then country they are in??? why are there fellow arabs not looking after them properly ?? AND whos fault is it, THEY left where they lived to go to the country's they are now in AT THE URGING of the arab countires they are in. You need to open your eyes and mind.

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InquisitiveMind, You state "Crack open a book or two and learn what the word refugee means...

Here I'll even help you, consider it my charity on you.

Per the mariam webster dictionary this is the meaning of refugee:

a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

Hmm... the historical facts all point to why the Palestinians are considered refugees....They fled to countries that werent theirs' because their lands were pillaged and stolen.."" YOU ARE obviously confused and do not have a clue let me give you a gift, FACT THEY did not flee because their lands were pillaged and stolen, THEY FLED because 3 ARAB ARMIES INVADED and the leaders of those countries told them to get out and that they could come back when the Arab armies had slaughtered every jew ONLY IT DID NOT WORK that way the 3 Arab armies got their rear ends handed to them.

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InquisitiveMind, Then you go on and CONTRADICT yourself and actually prove my point you then say "Actually lets get true historical events correct...Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, and parts of Palestinian including the occupied territories were all considered one country called Bilad Al Sham....until the brits came and disected it all" EXACTLY so the arabs got 70% of Palestine and NO LEBANON was never part of it, you need to get at least some facts straight. THIRDLY. "To me what you build, what you pay for is yours, but I guess that doesnt stand true for Jews" and what do you base that stupid statement on, Jews DID build Isreal have you ever seen what Tel Aviv looked like in 1940"s and look at it today, yes Jews built Tel Aviv, they built pretty much all the settlements with hardly any money used but hard work, so your wrong again. YES YOU can mention the GOLAN heights, you forget to mention WHY Isreal took it away from Syria and why they still have it.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Regarding the territory now called Israel:

    "The Arabs themselves cannot be considered but temporary residents. They pitched their tents in its grazing fields or built their places of refuge in its ruined cities. They created nothing in it. Since they were strangers to the land, they never became its masters. The desert wind that brought them hither could one day carry them away without their leaving behind them any sign of their passage through it".

    - Comments by Christians concerning the Arabs in Palestine in the 1800s -

    Let us quote the most important source for Muslim Arabs:

    "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.". - Qur'an 17:104

    Any sincere Muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by Muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

    Thus, authentic Islam recognizes that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People.

    .

  • First let me explain your third paragraph, where you say Jews were expelled from Spain/Portugal. Actually Jews were Expelled from France/Italy and all Europe. Not just Spain/Portugal. Second. It is not easy when people are moved out from a land they have lived and known as their own almost all their life, we should know that. It is a sad reality that the Arab nations refuse to allow the Palestinians into their lands. But I don't blame the Palestinians, nor do I dislike them. Infact I sympathize with what they went through. By sympathizing and showing them we are not bad, maybe someday there will be peace.

  • 1 decade ago

    Great work !

    Let's not forget that when the Nazis began their elimination of Jews in Europe, no country in the whole world was willing the accept the very few refugees who managed to escape the horror. Even after WW2 was over the world locked its gates to those people who lost everything. And much worse, the British empire, which today its "peace keepers" intellectuals are calling to boycott Israel academy, locked the gates of Israel for all Jews from Europe, deporting those who came with boats, all because of Arabs pressure.

    When will the Arabs finally understand that they achieved nothing throughout the last 90 years of bloodshed?

    Here's some interesting links :

    http://www.tampabayprimer.org/index.cfm?action=art...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ

    http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2007/may/g4.ht...

    http://www.seconddraft.org/history_pallywood.php

    And not to mention their cynical use of Israel's good will in humanitarian issues:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3401232,...

    Of course when Israel has no other option then to put road blocks or check ambulances, the palys whine about Israel being malicious and ruthless to civil population, when in fact the terrorists are the ones who are'nt reluctant what so ever to use any means, including ports, hospitals, ambulances, children, journalists and other, for their homocidal purposes.

  • Kane
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    It's hard to read all your report, I kind of get dizzy trying but, talking about Palestinians, I just met a young lady from Palestine this week at my son's school. Her child and my are both graduating next month. We exchange kind words everytime we run into eachother, and all I can say is she is Palestinian and I am Jewish.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Everything that has happened to the Jewish people throughout history has been predicted. Although there is still much tribulation to come for this people, I'm certain they will prevail. As much as some in the world would like to destroy them, their remnant will survive.

    Peace to Israel.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    My family too were refugees but they were able to make lives for themselves as doctors, engineers, lawyers, business people, in Israel and in other countries. If my family (and others like it) can improve their condition, why is that the Palestinians are still sitting in refugee camps for 60 years, fight among themselves, and blaming everyone else for their problems? Don't they need to take some personal accountability for their situation and work to improve themselves? Much of my family was in much the same situation, but they didn't sit on their a$$es and wait for their problems to solve themselves; they took the initiative, worked hard, and made something of their lives.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Nice little essay. Of course the whole thing is related to the idea of the eradication of Israel. Ain't gonna happen.

    Am Israel Chai

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    This supposed to be a question ?

    Looks more like a diatribe to me ! A biased , totally one eyed , blinkered view of history that takes no account of the other sides point of view.

    They are refugees friend because they are stateless ! Pure & simple ! I am, talking about those who were dispossessed in' 48 & ended up in neighbouring countries ......

    If as you say there have been injustices against Jewish people in Arab countries that is abhorrent as well ! But tell me , your propaganda machine is second to none so why has this been kept so quiet ?

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Who is the Refugee? A Refugee is the one who was forced to move out of his house by force. Most Refugees are living in a United Nation Refugee Camps"ghettos" for the last 59 years and most want to go back home. Most Arab Jews were not forced to move to Israel by the Arabs but rather by Zionist organizations.

    Source(s): http://www.nkusa.org/ www.jewsaginstzionism.com
  • 1 decade ago

    Crack open a book or two and learn what the word refugee means...

    Here I'll even help you, consider it my charity on you.

    Per the mariam webster dictionary this is the meaning of refugee:

    a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

    Hmm... the historical facts all point to why the Palestinians are considered refugees....They fled to countries that werent theirs' because their lands were pillaged and stolen..

    Actually lets get true historical events correct...Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, and parts of Palestinian including the occupied territories were all considered one country called Bilad Al Sham....until the brits came and disected it all.

    Now, that being said...To me what you build, what you pay for is yours, but I guess that doesnt stand true for Jews, looks like their saying is what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine, considering the wealth of land and assets they acquired by expelling the Palestinians. By the way its in the hundreds of millions..I am sure that money paid for the building of those Jewish settlements.

    Dont give me this bull crap about Jews had it hard and they worked hard and yada yada yada.....They have nations who back them up financial. without that help they wouldnt have anything.

    I find it hard to swallow your empty rattling on about how Jordan is part of Palestine, I dont think the Jews are too learned in geography, for if they were they wouldnt try to expand their borders for time to time, may I mention the Golan Heights....Isnt it time for the Jews to stop their greed? You big baby!

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