Do liberals know how wrong they are? Does the end justify the means?

I'm sure they do. They are so focused on change for change's sake that they are selling us all down the river and could care less.

No, the end does not justify the means, and that's why the liberals aren't wrong. That's the rationale the Bush administration used to justify lying to us about Iraq; "Well it was a good fight to get into anyway, and the World will be a safer place with a democratic Iraq". It's the rationale they used when caught ordering illegal wiretaps; "We'll catch many more terrorists this way" (zero so far, those who've been caught were by the vigilance of the American People). It's the rationale they've used whenever they've been caught doing anything shady- here's the problem: Not only do the Ends never justify the Means, but the Ends haven't been that great either!

To more directly address your question: How could you possibly understand how wrong the Liberals might be, if you don't even understand their rationale?

And they ask:

Do the conservatives know how wrong they are? Does the end justify the means? I just don't get their rationale!

Pot, meet kettle.

Sara.... Bush sold us down the river long ago. Your kids, grand kids and great grand kids are going to have to pick up the check.

You haven't proven anything with your post or your question. What's your point? If you don't understand their rationale, you don't understand the argument or the issue.

In answer to the above poster: Michael Savage is a sociopath who's just another big mouth parading on the corporate media.

LOL....seeing the end justifying the means as a bad thing....LOL....that is the Republican motto, problem is the Repubs never get to the end to justify any of the criminals acts they've perpetrated. The Repubs can only talk big, threaten US citizens with their warmongering and 'orange' alerts, and in the end they have achieved nothing except to fortify terrorist groups memberships and weaken the US positions worldwide.

"Do liberals know how wrong they are?" Who the hell made you the expert? Wrong about what? Thats what makes this country great, you have the right to your OPINION. It is not fact. Who said your opinion is right? Other people with the same beliefs as you? Open your mind a little bit, please. It will help you avoid asking dumb questions like these.

Does the end justify the means? (War in Iraq?)

anyway, what's it like being right all the time?

I don't know. Is destroying our way of life (illegal wiretapping, Patriot Act, etc.) justified by the end goal of "protecting" us from those who want to destroy our way of life?

For you to understand their rationale would mean that they first must be rational...which they aren't. Most decisions liberals make are emotional.

how would anyone know. you didn't give an example to debate. No way can anyone answer that rationally or logically the way you presented it.

It would be like me asking if all Conservatives are liars ??

Not sure what you are referring to.

Thanks for the 2 points.