Trinity Question for those who believe and understand Trinitarian doctrine?

There are two different forms of belief being state above.

Modalism does not allow distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity.

There are various forms of Modalism. One is that the "Godhead" shows Himself in three different forms or modes. These are either consecutive and in some forms simultaneous.

This is one being, three forms, and one mind. These are not distinct persons just different "faces".

http://www.carm.org/heresy/modalism.htm

The other one that is being talked about above is the Trinity. This is the form of Three in one God that most Christians are supposed to be in agreement about.

The Trinity

God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful.

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm

As you read this you may see that there is very little difference between Trinity and Modalism. But to believe one is heretical and to believe the other is truth by what is agreed on by most Christians.

To Islam this is polytheism and to non Trinitarians it is Pagan.

Each person that studies the bible has to pray and ask God for the truth to be manifested.

Joy -JJ

Constantine about 325 added by decree:

Trinity

Here is an article and a link:

In the Roman Empire the most different religions lived peacefully beside each other, and here was a religion which could not live in peace with itself. For political reasons, however, unity and harmony were necessary; and in 325 the Emperor convened the first great oecumenical council at Nicæa to settle the Arian controversy. It was the first time the Christian Church and the Roman State met each other face to face; and the impression was very deep on both sides. When the emperor stood there, among the three hundred and eighteen bishops, tall, clad in purple and jewels, with his peculiarly haughty and sombre mien, he felt disgusted at those coarse and cringing creatures who one moment scrambled sportively around him to snatch up a bit of his munificence, and the next flew madly into each other’s faces for some incomprehensible mystery. Nevertheless, he learnt something from those people. He saw that with Christianity was born a new sentiment in the human heart hitherto unknown to mankind, and that on this sentiment the throne could be rested more safely than on the success of a court-intrigue, or the victory of a hired army. The only rational legitimation which the antique world had known of the kingship was descent from the gods; but this authority had now become a barefaced lie, and was difficult to use even in the form of a flattery. At Nicæa, however, the idea of a kingship of God’s grace began to dawn upon mankind. Constantine also met there with men who must have charmed and awed him by their grand simplicity, burdened, and almost curbed, as he was by the enormous complexity of Roman life. After the Council of Nicæa, he conversed more and more frequently and intimately with the bishops. his interest in Christianity grew with the years; but, as was to have been foreseen, he was sure to be led astray, for the needle lacked in the compass. He was more and more drawn over to the side of the Arians, and it was an Arian bishop who baptized him.

The trinity is but one set of beliefs though most of the christians today are really on the verge of "modalism" which teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are really three offices held by the one God.

There are many Christians that do not believe either the trinity or modalism.

When a person says:

The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But not three gods only one God.

They are really teaching something akin to modalism. This is considered heretical by true trinitarians. Often they will use also the word or label "Godhead".

"Godhead" is in many bible translations. But the Greek word should be taken to be "God's Divinity and the multiple forms He shows this to us". Paul used local concepts or concepts locals understood to explain God.

True trinitarians do not believe in a "Godhead", as taught in modalism, they believe that each is God but each is a distinct entity.

This is where many religious teachers can confuse the newcomer to religion. It is easy for them to show the errors in modalism, but difficult to show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not also one with God in purpose and essence yet distinct self's which is close to "trinity".

Both are bunch of garbage and very powerful deceptions.

I believe that The Most Holy Trinity is the one true God. Therefore, God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit are three seperate eternal beings each having their own consciousness and individuality. The Holy Trinity is always in perfect harmony and never conflict with each other, since they carry out a single will. The Holy Trinity make up a single nature and essence. God is like a "family".

I am an atheist. However, I think I can shed some light on this subject for you.

Back in 325AD, the first council of Nicea (from which the Nicene Creed originated) declared jesus as a godhead. There was indeed some argument as the following from Wikipedia states:

The purpose of the council was to resolve disagreements in the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in relationship to the Father; in particular, whether Jesus was of the same substance as God the Father or merely of similar substance. St. Alexander of Alexandria and Athanasius took the first position; the popular presbyter Arius, from whom the term Arian controversy comes, took the second. The council decided against the Arians overwhelmingly (of the estimated 250-318 attendees, all but 2 voted against Arius). However, due to the machinations of Athanasius and others in his party, many of the Eastern bishops who were pro-Arian, were prevented from reaching the Council until after the vote had been taken.

The Council of Nicaea was historically significant because it was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[2] "It was the first occasion for the development of technical Christology."[2] Further, "Constantine in convoking and presiding over the council signaled a measure of imperial control over the church."[2] With the creation of the Nicene Creed, a precedent was established for subsequent general councils to create a statement of belief and canons which were intended to become guidelines for doctrinal orthodoxy and a source of unity for the whole of Christendom — a momentous event in the history of the Church and subsequent history of Europe.

I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

I'm not sure you can actually see the Holy Ghost. But yes, they are 3, but they are also 1. Its like an apple, an apple has a core, the meat, and a skin. They are 3 parts, but they all make up the same apple. As for the Trinity, they all have the same nature of love. God The Father is the Creator, Jesus is the Son of God who came to earth and died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and now dwells in heaven with the Father, and is coming back for His own in due time. God the Holy Spirit is what dwells in the hearts of all believers, and convicts us of our sins and guides us to know what's right. They are all the same God.

1 being , 3 distinct persona's . God the father , God the son , God the Holy spirit . They act in unison ( Genesis - when they created the world ) or independently - ( when Jesus walked among us and the father stayed in heaven ) . I have to add though that they do act independently , they are of like mind .This is the very essence of omnipotent , omnipresent , and omniscient .

All powerful , all knowing , and most importantly . Everywhere at the same time

I believe in the Trinity .

I've done a little research into the origins of the Trinity & found that -"the Trinity is actually of pagan, philosophical ancestry, and was engrafted onto, and accomodated to, Christian theology." (a quote from the site below that discussed the Trinity doctrine) There are more.

http://www.geocities.com/robert_upci/origin_of_the...

Because of just this one fact alone the only conclusion I can come to is that it's pagan & not from God. Those who support the Trinity admit that's it's inexplicable & use the get-out clause (how can we know all about God?) That doesn't sit right with me as I know in my heart that God would want us to know about his correct form or else why would he give us guidance & explanation in the scriptures about himself? Why would he tell us to seek knowledge about himself if we are incapable of understanding?

It says in Proverbs 2 v1-5 explains that we should find out about him. If that knowledge isn't available and it's all a mystery then why does He tell us that?

My conclusion is that the Trinity doctrine is false as it's pagan.

first of all it is never written that there is a Trinity...that is what people that do not understand or have not read the bible call it... its always a good idea to cross reference everything, do not go on hearsay.....god the father, Jesus the son, and the holy spirit are all one ...meaning they all share the same thinking..for example if you were to ask god one thing and turn around and ask Jesus the same thing...it would be like talking to the same person.....they are in agreement.... the holy spirit is just that...a spirit that is god's spirit that communicates with us..do not forget that god himself is a spirit and can only be worshiped in spirit and in truth...

Yes, I believe in the Trinity. Although, "Tri-Unity" might be a better term. I dont think Schnebs answer can be improved upon. But I would add a couple of things.

First of all, we are never going to understand it. Even when we get to Heaven. That should be obvious. If we could understand the nature of God completely, we would have to be God.

Secondly, even though the Bible does not use either the word Trinity or Tri-Unity, it is revealed in Scripture. What is most interesting is, that, the Bible never attempts to prove it. It just makes statements, plainly and matter-of-factly. It speaks of the Father being God. It speaks of the Son being God. It speaks of the Spirit being God. But yet, Scripture declares that there is only One God.

Thirdly, God gives us credit for having some brains. (He expects us to use some common sense, and see that we can never figure this out) He KNOWS that we can never figure it out, even if He Himself tried to explain it to us. He is not foolish enough to try. So, He just expects us to believe His Word. The idea that men actually think that they must first understand How God is God, before they will "condescend" to believe in Him, must amuse Him immensely.

We cannot even understand how WE can be three, yet one. Man is, body, soul, and spirit. Yet one individual. Too us this seems very natural. We need to give God the same courtesy.

He has to be three-in-one to an infinite degree much more complex than man. And we insist on understanding HIM ?

In short, the Bible calls all three God, yet says there is only One God. If you insist on understanding this before you believe in Him (in Faith that Saves), you will have a very long eternity to ponder it.

But you will be pondering it outside of His presence.

....theBerean