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FOR EU CITIZEN: Arab support for the Nazis - is this the info you wanted?
Hi EU CITIZEN, I've just now seen your request for me to support an assertion I made on this topic. Fair enough. I hope the following info clarifies what I was trying to say - let me know.
Best wishes
One of the main supporters of Hitler was Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini. He fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab revolt of 1936-9 and he ended up in Berlin.
Once there, the Mufti was welcomed by Germany's Islamic community, which named him the 'Fuhrer of the Arabic World'. The Mufti soon became an honoured guest of the Nazis and he met personally with Hitler on many occasions. He personally lobbied Hitler against a plan to permit Jews to flee Hungary.
The Mufti also intervened when Adolf Eichmann tried to cut a deal with the British, to swap German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who were to escape to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS worked - the children were sent to concentration camps in Poland, instead.
Throughout the war, the Mufti appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro Nazi message.
In 1943, the Mufti travelled to Bosnia, where he recruited the 'Hanjar troopers', a special Bosnian SS company which slaughtered 90 per cent of Bosnian Jews, and burned countless Serbian churches and villages.
The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be liquidated. The Mufti used funds received earlier from the Hitler regime to finance the Nazi-inspired Arab Liberation Army that attacked Jews in Palestine.
ARAB SUPPORT OF NAZISM
The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. The first congratulatory telegrams Hitler got upon being made chancellor, came from several Arab capitals.
Soon, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, such as 'Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri' in Syria.
The banner of this group showed the swastika on a black-white blackground. Later, a Lebanese branch of the group was involved in murdering Lebanese president Pierre Gemayel.
The most influential party that emulated the Nazis was 'Young Egypt', founded October 1933. They had storm troopers, and literal translations of Nazi slogans.
Sami al-Joundi, a founder of the Syrian Ba'ath Party, recalls: 'We admired the Nazis. We were racists.'
When Palestinian police first greeted former PLO leader Yasser Arafat, they offered the infamous Nazi salute.
EU CITIZEN - sorry if I put too much info, I know you felt that my previous post didn't back up my claim, so I wanted to provide you with enough details this time.
MIMII - Eu Citizen ASKED me to provide details, after I merely mentioned that some Arabs had supported Hitler. What, now I can't state FACT any more? I am not saying 'ALL' Arabs supported Hitler.
Sorry, but I really don't understand your problem with this post: I am just responding to what Eu Citizen asked. I can't win! If I don't give details to support my statements, I get abuse, and if I DO, you say you 'no longer like' my posts!
By the way, I have added more info about the Canaanites, in the page for your question; hope it helps.
EU CITIZEN (I didn't mean I got abuse from you when I failed to give details, I was referring to someone else)
MIMI - sorry, I genuinely, genuinely don't get why you are angry. EU CITIZEN ASKED me to support a statement I made on this topic.
You are not reacting as though I've done something wrong, and that's unfair. Besides, how can you disagree with objective fact?
I have not said anything offensive, I have merely reported historical fact. It wasn't anything to do with Israel, Israel hadn't even been established at that time!
And even if you don't agree with what people say, since when does that get you so angry? We all disagree all the time here!
DA MAN - I never said that ALL Muslims supported Hitler - please show me where I put that, because I DIDN'T!
I was asked by EU CITIZEN; if you look at the post on Holocaust denial, and look at EU's post, you'll see at the end, he ASKS me to provide support for a statement on this topic.
As for being 'better than this' - it seems you think I've done something wrong. I'm genuinely sorry you feel this way, but I am totally confused! All I did was give details, when asked, on historical fact. In all fairness, plenty people in this forum put critical things about Israel, and I have NEVER insulted them or accused them of anything.
I was asked for some accurate info, and I have given it. That's all I've done. I NEVER SAID ALL ARABS supported Hitler.
MIMI, ok, last edit!! lol
I was asked for facts, I have given them, that's all. And with the greatest of respect, really, but why is this the wrong forum? EU CITIZEN fairly, politely asked me to support a reference I made to the fact that, during WW2 (NOT NOW!) SOME Arab leaders supported Hitler.
I have done nothing wrong by giving him the info he asked for.
Re your post on CANAAN - I have added some factual info that I hope answers your question better. Check my answer again and see if this new info helps!
MIMI: no, there's nothing 'wrong' with my post. Sorry, but again: I WAS RESPONDING TO ANOTHER USER'S REQUEST.
And surely I have the right to post anything factual about the Nazis etc in the Israel forum? My post is NOT anti-Muslim; I just stated fact.
EU CITIZEN
- I didn't mention other countries and collaborators because you didn't ASK for info on that!
There was also a great deal more info on the way that SOME Arabs supported the Nazis, but I didn't want to overburden you with info!
Anyway, hope the info helped. I have no idea why I've been so criticized for it, as I haven't said anything offensive and it's ALL historically documented fact.
DA MAN - I don't use email for Yahoo Answers, for one very good reason.
And why should I have to, anyway? I haven't done anything wrong. I haven't said a single offensive word. If you're offended it's by the facts, is that my fault? I never, ever said - and I think you know I never would say - that ALL Arabs back then supported Hitler.
You know full well there is limited space in the heading bar so of course I wrote 'Arab support' because that's what EU CITIZEN specifically asked me about!!!
You and Mimi, everyone in fact, knows that I thoroughly enjoy debating things with you guys, it's great that we can all hang out in the Israel forum together!
But now I feel like you're telling me I'm not free to post factual information, just because you don't like it! If this was the History section, would you be complaining? How can we have proper dialogue if I get castigated like this for merely reporting FACT?
TAMARIND - if you'd bothered to actually read my question, you'd note that I posted this info PURELY because I had been asked to by another person on this site, due to a comment I made in another answer.
And even were this not the case, I don't need your permission to post anything.
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- MimiLv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
If one Arab supported Nazi, the all Arabs support them?!!
Edit: Ok I guess more than one Arab support the Naze, maybe ten or 20!
How many Jews supported the Israelis when they killed the thousand innocent lebanese last year?
How many Jews supported the destruction of Palestinan houses and their farms?
How many Jews supported the randon arresting of palestinans and their bad treament to them in Jails?
I can't agree with you anymore Tabatha
EDIT:
Ok I see what you mean. I think you are the one who is angry now. I don't agree with this post because it seems to me like criticism more than just information or a response. The reason why i feel that is because posting such a thing here especially on the Israel section gives people an opportunity to insult arabs and palestinians and muslims and say things that I may not want to hear. I dont have a problem with you personally but I am afraid of the result of such post. All your other posts were peaceful and I liked them so much but this one may carry non peaceful consequences that is why i have a problem with it.
You think I don't like facts? Of course I like facts but only when they are giveng in their CORRECT PLACE. In my other question, I asked a clear question and I wanted a clear answer. You, however, started to tell me things that have nothing to do with answering my question. You answered my question by question. As a response to you, I replied and I gave an answer and clarification to your questions (there about the Quran) SUPPORTED with sources.
As for Israel I know that it hadn't been formed yet but what I wanted to say is that people usually support the wrong as long as it serves their needs. Those Arabs who supported the Nazi are just a minority at that time and you can't say Arabs you would better say SOME ARABS i would agree.
Even now after all the issues between the Arabs and Israeli you can barely find an arab who suppors the Nazi.
Even if you can find some arabs who support hitler now they are just angry at what the Israelis did (please refer to my questions here)
I am sorry if I annoyed you or made you angry I didn't mean it. I know you like facts but please try to provide your facts were they are required. If somebody asks a question I would rather email them by the answer and not post such a page that may bring headache to some people.
I hope I clarified my point, sorry again and peace to you and to your people
Shalom
EDIT:
Tabatha, why do you think DaMan gave you that answer?
You see, I am not the only one who thought that way, so there is something wrong with your post. Sorry to say that but I hope you understand what we mean and forgive me if I were rude with you..
EDIT:
Ok just be careful next time about choosing your words. So instead of saying Arabs say some arabs so that we know who exaclty you mean and dont have misunderstanding.
You of course have the right to post whatever you want on the Israel section but remember that you are also responsible for any consequences of your post. We also have the right to give our opinion about your posts and as I said before I dont have any problem with the information you provided in general and I believe it but the way you presented it made me think that you mean all arabs and I think this gives an opportunity for some people to post things that I dont want to hear as a response to your post.
LAST EDIT:
I believe you didn't read my last edit. I said you are free to post whatever you want but you are responsible for the results. Why won't you understand that I don't have anything against you. Since the morning I am trying to explain to you the reason why I didn't like the post but you ignore what I say.
I said I believe what you say and I know its all facts but even facts can act as a flame for rude non facts. You know that the Israelis hate the Arabs and muslims so much and please dont say no. Posting such a message on the Israel section would just give those haters an opportunity to insult the arabs and muslims.
All your other postings serve a peaceful purpose except this one for the reason I stated above. The post it self isn't bad but it's consequesnces may be bad.
If you posted this same post on the history section I wouldnt care as much i cared now because there wouldnt be a lot of israelis on it and the probabilty of getting a rude response is less. This is one of the reasons I posted my question about the Canaanites on the Israel section not the relgion section so to decrease the probablity of getting rude answers.
Maybe I was mistaken when I said I cant agree with you ANYMORE because I believe that you are going to continue posting peaceful messages but I think I had to tell that I dont agree with this post. It is my opinion anyways. so dont worry it may get changed who knows.
Peace to you
- 1 decade ago
Am new to this forum, but am really interested in Jewish/Israeli history. Thanks Tabatha for the iteresting post and to others who have answered.
There were so many countries who could have and should have intervened at this time and didn't. Another case of good people standing by and letting evil happen (and not just to the Jews. There were plenty of other groups targeted by Hitler and his pro-Aryan ideology - Gypsy's, the disabled and disfigured and many good Christians and Muslims who stood against him and did their best to stop him). Not unlike so much that is happening now, in so many other countries.
BTW Don't believe Hitler was a Christian - may have come from a Christian background. None of his ideologies are supported by any of Christ's teachings!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Certainly this man was a nazi collobrator and took an active part in the nazi war effort at times by recuriting soldiers and he does have lolt's of jewish blood on his hands as you mention.
But there where many collobrators during the time, Austrian,English,Bulgarian any nationality you mention it there was a collobrator who supported the nazi's.
But you'r post's previously seemed to suggest that the entire arab world was united in there call for hitler to purge the world of jews, including the arab lands.
From what i see he is a random recuriter who had somesort of muslim regiment under his command for the Nazi's but again he is just a minority.
Was Transjordan commited to the german war effort? not it was not, It seems it may have been just this one recruiter working there and in Europe.
And at times he may have thought hed been speaking on behalf of the arab world like to support the arab's with the "jewish question" but really he was not inreality he was just a guy from Transjordan who worked for the Nazi's he did not speak for the arab world as it was seperated by thousands of miles and had different voices im sure at the time just about everyone in the arab world had no diea who he was and what he said.
There where many more arab regiments supporting the allied war effort like some now dead moorocan relatives of mine.
Besides fighting for the allies as soldiers.
My mom had an uncle sent over to france to be a mechanic.
So it seems there may have been some arabs working for the Nazi's but i think they where in the fringe compared to the larger numbers helping the allied war effort. Because as i have mentioned large amounts of Arab lands where in someway controled by one allied power or onother.
By the way thanks for not making this personal i cant help noticing usually when people put onothers name in a thread title it is usually a personall attack but you have shied away from this unlike some other users so Mazal Tov to you.
Tabatha: i was not asking for other countries collobrators but i was just saying that collobrators are nothing new, lots of people collobrated and just because you give an example of a muslim/arab collobrator does not mean that the Arab world was for the "final soloution".
Also the thing you mentioned on the "Nazi salute" is alittle bit off those who use it today do not use it in a way to emulate the nazis it was actually a common salute before world war II and some people actually still use it although not to emulate the nazis they use it because it is a part of military tradition that was used by allmost all nations at one time or onother.
- Anonymous5 years ago
For two main reasons, neither having to do with Apartheid: (QUICK NOTE: Druze Arabs are drafted into the IDF, so your claim isn't entirely accurate.) -Firstly, this way, Israeli Arabs are not forced into situations where they may have to fight, and even kill, their Arab cousins. -Secondly, despite being Israeli citizens, many Arab-Israelis are hostile to the country, and wouldn't hesitate to turn over information they learn from the IDF to its enemies (tactics, training, troop positions, etc.) However, if they so choose, Arabs can serve, though they are not legally compelled. Often however, Arabs who do join the IDF are harassed by their fellow Arabs and therefore choose to remain anonymous when giving interviews, etc. I'm not quite sure what about this system suggests that Israel is an Apartheid country.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
Hello everyone,
I'm new to Yahoo! answers. I've read this page with great interest (I'm a history addict!) and Tabitha is right in her summary. The Haj el-Husseini used to whip the Muslims into a frenzy of rage towards the Jewish settlers in Palestine. This is not a matter of conjecture however much present day Arabs may complain. The Haj and his followers was responsible for some truly terrible, and terrifying riots against Palestinian Jewry.
Even today Hitler's book Mein Kampf ranks around 6th on the best seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes a glowing piece as preface about how Hitler's ideology and his "theories of nationalism and race are... advancing especially in our Arabic states."
In recent history when the PLO was active the Mufti El-Husseini was regarded as a hero. In 1985, Arafat stated it was an "honour" to follow in his footsteps.
It is also recorded fact that the Nazis shipped arms to the Palestinian Arabs and that their plan was to wipe out Palestinian Jewry.
- 1 decade ago
BUSH family support of Nazis :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,131254...
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_orde...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnAUQeHykXY
FACT : America sent ALL the Jewish refugees that came looking for a safe place to go back to Germany and they were then sent to Nazi Camps. Why don't you condemn America also? Arab Countries (like Palestine) accepted the Jews into their lands.
And btw just because there was supposadly ''arab supporters of nazis'' doesn't mean anything, SO WHAT??? we are a new Generation now. I heard you say a few days ago that you didn't blame the New Generation of Germans for what The Nazi Germans did so why are you blaming us ??
If you don't even condemn the country that did it then what gives ? You are very biased.
and btw you didn't provide an actual link to all of these claims, and did you know that Muslims too were murdered in the Holocaust ??? YES, Muslims also didn't fit into Hitler's ''good citizen'' profile, so stop spreading Propaganda.
Source(s): World History 101 - TequilaLv 71 decade ago
For Tabatha, EU citizen, et. al.,
An article detailing the background of this very topic came out on Friday. (None of the info. is new. It simply chronicles some aspects of the known Arab support for the Holocaust.)
You may find the paragraph on Abu-Rommel, Abu-Hitler and Abu-Eichmann to be of interest.
- tamarindwalkLv 51 decade ago
And what does this have to do with anything going on in today's reality? Not a thing!
The Mufti was one person. He is not the only non-Germanic to support Hitler and his gang. There were even Jews who worked with the Nazis. Everyone got into it - to their shame. But all of them - or at least the vast majority of them - are dead and gone. And all of that is best left as history.
- 1 decade ago
You are wrong to single out Muslims. I think you are FORGETTING THAT HITLER WAS CHRISTIAN! ANE EVEN JEWS WERE INVOLVED IN THE MURDERING OF JEWS.
AND ANOTHER! YOU ARE FROM ISRAEL? YOU ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME MASS GENOCIDE TO THE PALESTINIANS. IT'S THE CASE OF THE BULLIED BECOMING THE BULLY!
MUSLIMS ON A WHOLE DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISTS WHETHER THAT BE: BIN LADEN, THE ISRAELI GOVT, BUSH OR HITLER!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Sorry, I don't feel like reading somebody's rant right now.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
first of all, just because one mufti supports him doesnt mean the 1. some billion muslims around the world do, u cant just label a whole group as one, i thought u were better than this?? i could say that all jews WANT the killing of innocent palestineans, but no, because i know that not all Israeli's support the actions of their own country
edit: oh its right in ur question, "Arab Support" meaning the support of ALL the ARABS, if thats that labeling that wat is?
by the way, instead of posting all this, you could'v just emailed him your "proof"