I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (John 20:17 RSV 1952)?

By lying.

It is obviously that God and Jesus are 2 different persons. At the beginning there was only God. Then God created Jesus, his first born, with whom he created the rest. When Jesus says that he is one with God he means that he and his Father have the same thoughts, the same purpose.

Jesus said that the Father is greater than he is. Jesus prayed to his Father. Jesus died but God didn't. There are things that only God knows (Matt. 24:36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.”).

--I DO NOT know what you mean by asking how can you say that Jesus is the" son of God", WHEN HE says it many times over!

--AS TO JESUS being God, that goes into the mode of silliness, with trinitarian type of reasoning...

--Mary Magdalene,is somehow then weaved in the bizaar mystery of the trinity (now making it a foursome, yet still ONE?)--since she is included(in the context--which seems(by some of the comments made) like what our trinitarians are indicating is proof of the triad) --if we are going to use that kind of silly reasoning OR....

--Jesus is simply saying he indeed is the son of God and acknowledging Marys God and Christs God are one and the same!

--TO THOSE that can't think that Jesus meant simple UNITY when he said "I and the father are one", JUST LIKE a man & woman say that they are one--WHEN UNITED in marriage!

--WE DO NOT say that Jesus is "son of God"

--JESUS HIMSELF has & does say it many times over such as :

(John 10:36) “. . .do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I SAID (my caps), I am God’s Son?”

--AND MORE importantly what God himself says who Jesus is:

(Matthew 3:17) “17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.””

The verse you quote would make Him the Son of God and arewethereyet is quite right where Jesus claimed to be one with the Father an therefore God.

Jesus is a God,He is the Son of GOD.

iSA 9:6 "For unto us a child is born,unto us a son is given:and the government shall be upon his shoulder:and his name shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor.The Mighty God.the Everlasting Father,The Prince of Peace."

Philippians 2:5-8,JOHN 1:1,14

JOHN 1 :18.cOL 2:9,gAL 1:12,cOL 1:15-16-17

I was then a son and now a father. the son then and the father now is the same. I am talking of realities where your naked eye can see. Isnt the son then and the father now is the same? God Bless!

what a great statement,

God so loved the world that He wanted to relate to man in his form as a body that lives on earth, just like man in form, needs and circumstances. This was done by taking on a body, Jesus, that is called Emmanuel too, which means, God with us.

Please look at yourself and find that you do have a spirit, your link to the spiritual world, also, a soul that links you to the social world, the soul is your personality, character, your passions , feelings, this part of you connects you to the others and drives your body in different directions in life, which in turn gets fed through your spirit by the spiritual world.

Now your body is the visible and tangible part of yours that we can see and relate to materialistically, so you are a triune in one. Spirit, soul and body. This is created in the likeness of God who is The father, the Godhead, the leader (decision maker), like the spirit in you. The Holy Spirit of God, the one that is likened by your soul, the one that brings God's will to us as He brought it to the body, Jesus, at that time on earth, to be lived, He is the One that drives the body, and so there is the Son, the visible part, the part that came in touch with us, just like when my personality contacts yours through my body, hand shake, eye contact, voice, etc...

Well, Jesus, the tangible part of God, the One that has all what is of the Father, (this is why He is called the Son, the one that carries all is what belongs to the Father). Now that the son came to this world as a regular man, he partnered with us and even united with us not just as a friend but even as a brother, so as He is the Son of God, He passed to us the sonship to the same Father. This unity was "contractuated" not by ink but even stronger, by blood.

Now, He passed to us the verse that you quoted, "to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"

he passed over to our world that we can pass over with Him to His world. How great is the love of God. Glory be to God, the God of LOVE. "GOD IS LOVE"

You need to listen to the clergy and never mind what the Bible says...!!!

"I and my Father are one"

That's why