Wiccans and Christians, what do you think about Christian Wiccans?

I hate to seem mean, but they can't be Christian and Wiccan without lying to someone along the way.

It's hard to say that, because we Wiccans WANT to be open and accepting, but if you have the concept of sin, or the concept that someone can die FOR you, then you're not Wiccan, and if you lack those things then you're not Christian. I have NEVER met a Christian Wiccan who was knowledgable in EITHER.

Here's my cut and paste.

Christianity and Wicca as a syncretic, hyphenate religion cannot exist. While there those who very sincerely believe that they are following both, they are not...

The fault rests on how one defines Christian.

If you define Christian as one who believes Christ existed, regardless of whether or not one believes in his teaching, it is possible that one could define oneself as a Wiccan Christian, but most Christians would say, quite rightly, that merely believing Christ EXISTED is NOT what makes a Christian.

Merriam Webster (m-w.com) defines a Christian as " one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ*"

It is possible to PROFESS belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ and be a Wiccan.

..You'd also be a liar.

Because it is impossible to BELIEVE IN or AGREE WITH those teachings as a Wiccan.

One common teaching in Christianity that is used to define Christianity is the Nicene Creed. If we examine it, we can see it is ABSOLUTELY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WICCA. Observe.

(My comments follow in brackets:)

The Nicene Creed:**

We believe in one God, [Wiccans are polytheists]

the Father, the Almighty,[Wicca does not teach omnipotence]

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

[Wicca does not support Creationism but instead teaches "as above, so below, which includes the idea that the Universe may be interpreted by observation of its parts]

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

God from God, Light from Light,

true God from true God,

begotten, not made,

of one Being with the Father.

[Wicca teaches that there are multiple gods, and that all people are children of gods. Wicca does not mention Jesus at all.]

Through him all things were made.

[Wicca teaches that humankind makes many things.]

For us and for our salvation

[Wicca has no concept of salvation]

he came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit

[Wicca has no heaven, nor a Holy Spirit]

he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

and was made man.

[Wicca teaches that humans are born human and gods are born gods. Transformation in one life from one species to another is not a part of Wicca.]

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

he suffered death and was buried.

[HUGE POINT! Wicca teaches that RESPONSIBILITY for all of a Wiccan's actions are upon that Wiccan, and must be taken care of by that Wiccan. Thus, in Wicca, it is impossible to die or suffer for someone ELSE except in very specific, personal situations (like taking a bullet for someone.) Wicca teaches there are no SINS, so there was literally no reason for Christ to die!]

On the third day he rose again

in accordance with the Scriptures;

[This is in no WICCAN Scripture]

he ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

[Wicca has no concept of who sits to what side of any father deity.]

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

and his kingdom will have no end. [Wicca has no teaching about a half-god judging living or dead, and, in fact, has teachings about who judges the dead...There is also no teaching of a Kingdom to Come in Wicca.]

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

[And Wiccans don't]

With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.

[Which Wiccans don't do.]

He has spoken through the Prophets.

[Who are not Wiccan.]

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

[Which Wiccans do not.]

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

[Wiccans neither baptize nor sin.]

We look for the resurrection of the dead,

[Wiccans do not.]

and the life of the world to come.

[Wicca does not teach of a coming future world, but of NOW worlds.]

I am sure there are some who think they are Wiccan and Christian, but they aren't. Either you think Jesus died for your sins (Christianity) or you acknowledge the doctrine of Self-responsibility as a proper person or adult human (Wicca). They are mutually self-exclusive.

I actually feel sorry for those that do think they are one and the same because every one of them I have met confuses Wicca (Worship of the gods and living by their standards) with magic, and Christianity has a long and perfectly valid tradition of magic that existed BEFORE WICCA ever existed. Here are some books discussing it:

The Magical Writings of Thomas Vaughan:

http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Writings-Thomas-Vaug...

Greater Key of Solomon:

http://www.amazon.com/Greater-Key-Solomon-MacGrego...

Ancient Christian Magic:

http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Christian-Magic-Marv...

The Divine Synthesis and Realization of Magic by the Christian Revelation

http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Synthesis-Realization...

"Christian Wiccans" either have Christianity all wrong or have Wicca all wrong, and that's sad. Many have also been unfairly persecuted, and judge all who oppose their claims as discriminating or being mean when, in fact, they are trying to help.

Hmm I too cannot see how one can combine Christianity and Wicca into one. The two have very different beliefs. If someone calls themselves Wiccan, but believes Christ to be their follower, then they cannot believe in the existence of more than one god, thus making them not Wiccan. The importance of any religion is it's main belief...the one thing that hold all other types of it's branches together (i.e believing in Christ is the one thing that bonds a Catholic and a Baptist and believing in god and goddess is the main thing that bonds a Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wiccan). Of course there are also other factors that can be compared, such as a belief in an afterlife, yet most religions carry the same belief. So where can a Christian bond with a Wiccan? How can someone believe in Jesus Christ as their savior, yet go against their religion and believe in the existence of more than one god? Setting facts aside there are people in a Christian branch called Gnostic's, which are the more open-minded/spiritual version of Christianity. Spiritually we share some qualities, but overall our beliefs are still vastly different. And don't confuse Witchcraft with Wicca either...there are people out there who claim to be one religion or have no religion and practice Witchcraft. That does not make them Wiccan.

So prairie, like you I cannot see how someone can be both Wiccan and Christian. "I personally don't see how that could happen without bending one or the other (or both) so far out of shape that the term "Christian" and/or "Wiccan" would no longer apply to the result." I agree completely.

I'm interested though to read the comments of those who disagree with us. Good question! Deserves a star!

Love and light,

Blessed Be

LOL I researched this and found out how this became, ok, now Churches, people involved, started this to keep their kids in the church. Actually it's working, they have the same exact tools as Wiccans except instead of a pentagram (which is also a christian symbol yes you can find them hidden in churches "Smiles) they use a cross.

We worship many diff. dieties they use Jesus. It's a way to keep the kids in the Christian Religion and at the same time practice like wiccans. I guess as the time goes on people that dont want to give up their Christianity feels this is ok to do. But I don't mind because later down the road they will start researching more on wicca and realize the truth.

Now Wicca is a Religion and so is Christianity so I don't know how they can make it one religion but to each his own I guess LOL

At first glance, I would say the two couldn't be mixed. I grew up Southern Baptist after all. However, I realized that's probably just my sometimes-anti-Christian side speaking.

I think a lot of Christians are already worshipping multiple gods - I mean the Trinity? Even as a Christian, I never understood that really. Let's worship Jesus the Son, God the Father, and throw in some Holy Spirit for good times. I honestly never got how they were then supposed to be counted as One God. And Catholics already worship multiple saints on top of the Trinity - some of whom are actually goddesses (and maybe gods, but I'm not sure). Know where St. Brigid came from?

So yeah, I guess it can be combined. Especially nowadays that some Christian groups are rejecting Jesus as a Savior.

BTW what the Hell is wiccacy? :P

No, you can't mix anything with Wicca. Wicca is a religion unto itself. Mixing Christianity with Wicca is like mixing the sun with the moon. It cannot be done. In the end you'll have one or the other.

I know because I tried it for a long time and it never worked. I ended up getting rid of christianity and I'm glad I did.

Your first paragraph - you obviously haven't seen my answers in obvious opposition to this idea.

True Wiccans are just that - Wiccan.

I think a much more likely term would be Christian Mystic. There are those out there and they seem to make their beliefs work just fine, but a Chrisitan Wiccan? No I don't think that would be possible, it would have to be called something else. Maybe those people were thinking about gnostics who do very often mix their beliefs with so called witchcraft I still prefer to call it Mysticism unless the person is an actual Wiccan or Pagan.

I think that one can combine and twist two different religions as much as they want, as long as they don't claim that the result is either. So basically, I'm fine with the "christo-wiccan" beliefs, as long as the followers of that religion don't try to pass their religion as either Christianity or Wicca.

They taste like Chicken :-)

Any cross breeds between Occult practices and Christ Cults usually end involving Aliens and Dolphins as well. (You know who Im talking about!)

Kabbalistic practices are very Christian (Obviously) and "Black Magic" books are all based on this.

It seems whatever Xian beliefs filter into become very dark, and quite wanky really.

I think Christian Wiccans (apart from being an oxymoron) are just fence sitters. They want the power of Wicca, but are affraid of facing "judgement" (they just cant let go of the indoctrination they were brought up with). Either sh!t or get off the pot.

Hello Prairie.

Being Wiccan allows you to use any pantheon you wish to reach The Divine (depending on your tradition). If someone decides to follow a solitary path and feels that Jesus Christ is his/her patron god then who am I to say he/she is "wrong"?

Many of the Christian teachings are very similar to Wiccan ones. So taking all this into consideration ... I don't see why a Wiccan couldn't be Christian.

However, flipping that in reverse order I cannot see how a Christian could be Wiccan especially if that Christian uses The Bible to tailor their life. But I could be wrong.

Seems to be a contradiction to me. You cannot be a Christian without accepting Jesus Christ as "the one, true Savior."

Yet Wicca acknowledges multiple facets of divinity and deity, and Jesus (the last time I looked) wasn't even on the list as a deity. Prophet and great man, perhaps, but no more divine than any other man or woman.

You can have a Zen Baptist (zen being a philosophy, not a religion), but not a Christian Wiccan.

I personally believe that you cannot be a Christian and a Wiccan. That would be considered a sin in the Christian religion and just plain silly for a Wiccan.