Atheists... You claim that believing in God is the greatest hoax of all time?

atheists you are not in logic. think

"Honestly, is not the greatest hoax thinking that this universe came about by..chance??

Is not the greatest hoax thinking that humans came from monkeys?"

Both of those are things that believers say, not atheists. I've never met an atheist who believes that the Universe came about by chance, or that humans came from monkeys.

"It's like me saying i broke this big glass and expecting a thousand glasses to form. "

I suppose that is. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with scientific evolutionary theories of the origin of species.

You should stop reading creationists' comic-book notions of science. It's causing you to make a fool of yourself in public.

All theories in science are based on a "preponderance of evidence". A hypothesis will fail to become an accepted theory unless it is supported by a large body of evidence. A theory must be "falsifiable" ie able to be proved false if some event occurs: e.g. evolution would be proved false if God was (objectively) observed creating a new animal.

Whereas in religion, there are just beliefs without evidence which have the "authority" of some old book. The book is accepted as the "word of God", because the book itself says so!! Belief without evidence, or "faith" as it is known , is seen to be a great virtue, although why God would prize such an unthinking thing is not clear.

I wasn't aware I ever had

as opposed to thinking it was an inivsible magic man who just happens to exist and created an entire infinitely sized universe just for one tiny little planet? That's more logical to you?

Well thats not what evolution say. Evolution says we share the same ancestor as monkeys. There's actually evidence for it. Lots and lots and lots and lots of evidence. Thousands of people work in field of evolutionary biology and universities has departments dedicated to it. Are there many hoaxes which involve the knowning participation of hundreds of thousands of people over many many decades all over the world?

and i say again thinking it was an inivsible magic man who just happens to exist and created an entire infinitely sized universe just for one tiny little planet is more logical to you? There's scientific evidence for the big bang theory and none for the existance of an invisible magic man.

It is not logical to believe in extraordinary things when there is no evidence to back it up in the first place. You don't understand that the both evolution and the big bang have evidence. Especially in the case of evolution.

Even if neither of these were true it still doesn't it make it logical to claim that an invisible magic man dun it

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Christ_Islamm, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.

*** "Atheists... You claim that believing in God is the greatest hoax of all time?"

Yes, it's a hoax, invented by believers

*** "Honestly, is not the greatest hoax thinking that this universe came about by..chance??"

Not a hoax, but a strawman invented by believers. Educate yourself.

*** "Is not the greatest hoax thinking that humans came from monkeys?"

Yes, it's a hoax, invented by believers. Evolution does not say we came from monkeys.

*** "Or Is not the greatest hoax thinking that the universe came about by an explosion... the order of this universe coming out of disorder..

It's like me saying i broke this big glass and expecting a thousand glasses to form."

Again:

Not a hoax, but a strawman invented by believers. Educate yourself.

*** "Have these theories not destroyed the concept of human logic??"

Yes, all those concepts have. Because they're all either false, or strawman arguments.

If you come back after having educated yourself, maybe you can come up with a real intelligent critique of atheism. That would be nice.

I don't recall any atheist claiming "God" was a HOAX, the idea of "god" or "gods" is just the product of intellectual laziness on the part of otherwise intelligent humans who cannot be bothered to further investigate the evidence around them, or who are unwilling to pursue a mystery for which they may NEVER find the answer!

To deny evolution is to believe in a God who "hides fossil evidence" as some kind of sick cosmic joke, and to believe in an all-powerful God who could cure your child's cancer if He wanted to, but has decided He can't be bothered!

the truth is that god used the forces of nature, the big bang,

and etc to create the universe. Instead of being trapped in a false dillemma because your church wants you to be stupid, try reading up on the qaballah and learn how the genesis story actually fits and complements known science.

its ironic that a person spouting a propaganda programmed false dillemma would do so trying to talk about logic.

look up logical fallacies. Look up false dillemma, or false duality. There you have the whole creationism VS evolution

propaganda war in a nutshell. Its not either/ or. Its BOTH.

Both science and religion have some truth in them.

If you knew anything about the origins of biblical symbology, you'd know that the modern propaganda and noise is just silly

ignorance.

So this God came about by .....

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chance?

Also, note that using the word "mokeys" will throw any credibility you have out the window.

Btw, I'm not exaclty sure what Muslims believe, but I was going to say, in reference to Genesis, that believing humans came from dirt is a pretty big hoax, too.

So the Universe can't come about by chance, but a sentient all-powerful all-knowing being can? How the hell does that work?

If a being larger, more complex, and more powerful than the Universe itself can "just happen to exist," why can't the Universe "just happen to exist"?

If everything needs to be deliberately and willfully designed and created, who created God? And if God doesn't need a creator, why does anything else?

The issue that atheists should really confront is which of these two possibilities are more probable: In the beginning, there existed a self-creating God or in the beginning there existed a self-creating Big Bang (not created by a pre-existing, self-creating God.)