How do you train for, or would deal with this situation.?

I will take a crack at this.

Well after that happened assuming I was not able to avoid it of course and that is exactly what happened.

I would be looking for a hand, foot, head, any part of their body and my surroundings as best as i could by sight and touch and if i could manage to touch them I would try either some joint lock technique and reverse positions and make sure they are not alone of course. If I could not grab at them of course i would try to roll over so I was at least facing them so I could grapple them better and prevent them from hurting me more until i could manage to get out of it. It that was impossible I would see or feel what was near by me I could use as a weapon of sorts even if it were my car keys that has pepper spray on it i would spray it wildly while i held my breathe and closed my eyes hoping to feel the weight lifted so I could get up and away.

IF I am able to get away i would again make sure they were alone and if stunned i would finish them off, not kill them, but ko them or incapacitate them while i called the cops or security and waited for them to arrive holding him at bay with either my sword cane or my pepper spray or both. I know not all carry these on them, but all do carry keys which are great for scratching and stabbing at someones hand or wrists.

I would definately not just sit there and not try to get out of it and pray I am not overwhelmed and get knocked out.

Again once free if they were alone Id incapacitate them until authorities arrived and file a report and have them arrested and also be checking my skull for blood and such and using my first aid kit in my veichle to stop the bleeding as best as i could until medics arrived.

I guess you do what you can do with what you have on you and how well you maintain your cool and mind while under attack.

My training in ground defense with people doing almost that except no blow to head and blood but still on your back holding you down and you have a timed amount to get up or it is over. We practice this much so that is why I think I would be well prepared for it but you just never know what will happen no matter how well you think you may be prepared.

Martial arts really teach you what to do in a fight and how to avoid a fight through not getting involved.

1) If you are good at martial arts, you should be smart enough to realsie that parking your in the back in the middle of the night and your walking is a BAD idea, and you would avoid it.

2) You should be more aware of your surroundings, simply because you ought to check your surroundings before you do anything. ESPECIALLY since you are at the back of lot in the middle of the night. Unless you got hit with a bullet by a really good sniper or something, you would notice SOMETHING before that white light appeared.

3) When you are in that situatuion, you would breath and allow the pain to subside. Take a note of your surroundings giving away as little as possible. You heard a a voice, try and figure out where it is. Figure out if you can still move everything, or enough limbs to see an exit. TAKE YOUR TIME. Judge the situation. then suddenly surge forward and run like you've never run before.

This is really advanced Krav Maga stuff though and stuff you learn if you were some sort of secret agent. No normal person would ever get into a situation like this. I can't think of any martial art that teaches you this. It would aslo be a bit unethical to try and emulate it aswell.

I must be having a bad dream. I hate moon pies! If the parking lot is empty where does this light come from? From the ground I would probably use a scissors take down. Depending on how they fall would determine what I would do next. I can tell you this. My intent to survive may cause me to respond quickly with some techniques that would end the situation permanently.

I do realize that at some point in time anyone can be caught of guard. However, I don't think it could happen like this scenario.. Meditation has caused me to be more aware of everything around me. I haven't done that like I used to some time aga. When I actively done that it became scary for me. I came very closed to hurting some people I cared about. Once my cousin tried to sneak up on me. I didn't see or hear him. Before I knew it I turned around and hit him knocking him off of his feet. I didn't know it was him until I saw him falling. I don't even know why I turned and punched. I came within less than than a centimeter o striking my wie in the nose. We came home late and the house was really dark. She hid behind a door playing. I walked into the room. I did a straight punch as I walked in. My eyes began to focus because of no lights. I barely recognized her and was able to pull the punch just at the tip of her nose. She has never tried to play like that again. She used to always ask me why don't I get scared or jump. I just tend to react to situations. TYhat frightene me. I came very close to hurting her and I never want to do that.

Geez.. Martial Arts do not make you super human.... if you found yourself in that situation, it's probably too late for any training to help you, but give it a try... training to be more aware of your surrounding, is more like talking about theory, of how to avoid this from happening... when you find yourself in a less desirable enviornment, try to keep yourself a good distance, from where people could be hiding... I used to deliver pizza back in my younger days, in the terrible parts of town late at night... i would never walk beside a corner of a building, always taking a path around it at least four feet from the corner, worth the exra steps.... keep your head up and "walk tall" ... the few guys that got robbed while i worked there... "looked" like victims... really timid, and insecure... i think it was a crime of "opportunity" an easy target not a planned attack... one guy spent 4 weeks in the hospital and the robbers got to split 37 dollars.. what a shame... confidence is a big thing that may deture would be attackers.... I would make eye contact with everyone i passed , and i only got messed with one time.. a guy said "lets take the pizza guy's money".. i replied "I'll throw you in the river with the last one that tried (i was full of ****)", and he said man im jus joking, and i said i'm not laughing.. sorry wrote too much about nothing, but there are ways to carry yourself to minimize the chances of this happening to you, but i dont know of any technique, that will help you against a sniper rifle, or any other technique that catches you completely off gaurd, and lays you out...

Follow the principles of "R.A.D.".

1st - Recognize (in that situation, you should be alert and not be totally oblivious to someone getting the jump on you)

2nd - Avoid (if possible, let's say you see some guys standing around your car. If your alone, you go back inside and wait it out or call for help)

3rd - Defend (as in self defense, this is what we train for)

We've had questions in our self defense seminars where someone says, "What if your face down, arms tied behind your back, and the guy has two knives, one at the front of your neck, and one behind your neck?" - The Answer, sometimes you die. We preach the R.A.D. concept first.

Back to your scenario, if your a woman, you can always try to say that you have herpes or aids or whatever. Call for help and hope someone hears you. Probably won't make a difference, but in that scenario, it may be all you have.

James

Very good question. Some of the answers are not really realistic, such as rolling itno there legs. I am assuming in this situation that your attacker would actually be kneeling on or stradeling you, rather than standing over you. The turtle guard actually sounds pretty good, but if you have been hit as you say you definetly would not have 100% of your strength, so I don't know if this would be possible with an average to large size attacker sitting on you.

I would hope that the precautions that I normally take would keep this from happening. I agree that anybody can get ambushed, but in a parking lot, unless it were full of cars, as long as I was watching for it, I feel I would at least have some warning. Your attacker cannot appear out of thin air. I also would (depending on how dark the parking lot was) have my flashlight out and activated. And be on a continual scan. This is actually normal procedure for me anytime I am in a situation close to what you describe.

If I was in this position though, the best I can think of right now is to:

1) Play dead. Go totally limp. Any motion that you try to get out of it is only going to incur another strike, which at this point you don't need.

2) My thoughts are I am not dead yet, so he wants to take his time and enjoy it. By playing dead I at least have a chance that he will relax, stand up, at least release some weight off of me, and when he does, let the situation (where he is, what position) dictate what I would do.

3) This would be the best option for me right now because I have never trained specificly for this. If I were to try something physical to resist it would probably be cover my head, bring a foot in as close as possible to my hips, and push hard keeping my upper body on the ground and forcing my hips up, and then try to roll, throwing him off. Sort of like a face down bridge. Again i would hope that being cautious and being aware of what is around me would help keep me from being there.

jw I believe the white flash is from a severe blow to the back of the head. Sort of a flash knockout.

You are an idiot, of course anyone can be taken by surprise... If you get dropped from behind then that's that. Your little story proves nothing about anything. Martial arts teach you how to fight not how to be indestructable pin head, no one ever claimed that if you have a blackbelt you grow eyes in the back of your head.

One thing though, if you hit someone that is trained and you're not make sure you make the hit count because if they don't go down or can get up they'll know you're there then and you've lost your advantage :-)

judomofo, i don't think i ever expected you to ask a question like this. you obviously know that anyone can be taken off guard (even elite soldiers). the only thing you have at a moment like you are describing is your raw survival instinct. if he says he's going to kill you then you don't have a choice but to fight for your life or give up. also, in the scenario you just painted, anyone should be on their guard (especially the martial artist). the truth is no one can train for a base-of-the-skull blow without jeopardizing their health. other than that, Jigoro Kano wrote extensively on counters to mounts and rear-mounted chokes/attacks. read the Kodokan of Judo (which I'm sure you have)

What you are asking is if you have a fighting spirit to attack when dismantled. In myself I have been in some situations that it looked bad, and rage took it's part. It is amazing how skills come into play as does the EYE of the Tiger .

When on your stomach in that spot, you could have a weapon over you, and that's a fact today. next, well the Turtle Guard s mentioned, but I would rather roll into them at the knees and fast. Using the attacking roll to get to my feet if I was able. To stay down on your stomach is not wise, and to roll over to place them in a guard of some sort is also not wise as you are injured. Bleeding. It is time to attack and flee if possible.

Attacking at the legs is the best bet, and learning roll outs you can break their legs as well as take them down on the back of their head on whatever surface you are on, causing head damage to them. I would use a roll out.

You train your senses. There's no simple answer here. Once you train in lethal arts for a prolonged period of time, you become attuned to situations like this and more often than not can avoid or control them. It's not a garuntee, nothing is garunteed ever.

As far as dealing with it, you've got two options.

Lay there and tremble in fear waiting to die

or stand up and fight as best you can and reserve your honor whether you live past it or die during. Personally, the first one isn't an option for me.