Are we united in grief over yesterday's events in the Gaza Strip?

yes THE KILLING MUST STOP

I doubt people are united,but the violence needs to stop. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. I seems the people of the world are regressing,not progressing. The only way I see the the conflict there will ever stop is to isolate them physically and financially. I'm against collective punishment generally but the madness must end.

added. I'm just trying to think of peaceful options,I know that it would never happen. I think it is a better option than those that some offered. I guess will we keep watching the violence unfold daily,people seem to like a good fight,even if one participant is considerably weaker. Is it any wonder that the children are the way they are around the world. Too much hate for my tastes. I don't care if there is ever peace in my lifetime,I do care about the future my children and grandchildren will have as a result of a steady increase in hatred and violence worldwide. When will we as the human race advance.

You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist. Golda Meir was wise at times.

Thank you for coming at this time Londoner, I believe that you genuinely are in grief over the situation and I believe that many in Israel are. Again this is a very sad thing that takes the crisis to the breaking point. And farther away from peace. (hands up in the air) I don't know anymore, just when are we all going to stop arguing and stop all the hate. We are the simple people and they are the government. If at least the people could make peace, then maybe the gov. would follow. But everyone is just to busy hating these days. Peace!

Thanks londoner In Israel. I haven't been reading/watching/listening to middle east news for about a week due to final exams so I didn't know about this until seeing your post. I agree with you. Both sides have caused enough pain to each others and both sides should stop violence. As I said before and always say, violence have never solved a problem, it always make problems worse. Also Israel is not suddenly going to disappear from the world's map neither will the palestinians disappear from the world's population. We have to respect each others more and try to find a real solution rather than blaming each others and making the situation worse

and to hamarker,

don't forget that the Israelis are also responsibe for the failure of what you call "peace offers". Most of those offers are actually against the Palestinians not in favor with them. By the way, what is the latest news from Annapolis? Where are the lands that the Israelis promised the Palestinians with? I don't see any improvement but more illegal settlements being built on a land that was supposed to be given to the Palestinians according to your "peace offer".

How many Israelis support a Palestinian state?Or how many Israelis/Jews actually accept the Palestinians as a seperate race not just Arabs coming from arabic countries to "occupy" their holy land?

Also who killed Yizhak Rabbin after trying to make peace with palestinians?

The Oslo Accords that you keep talking about was mostly against the Palestinians.

So stop blaming the Palestinians in everything. The Israelis too are not keeping promises either. Sometimes I feel you are a great person, sometimes you make me sick.

hamarker,

the link you provided says there 34% of Israelis oppose a palestinian state, does this percentage seem small to you?

It is more than third of population.

" I don't see hamas accepting any peace agreement, if I saw a chance I would but they don't recognize israel"

The problem is that you see all Palestinians as hamas and you don't want to understand the not all palestinians are supporters of hamas and terrorists. You keep generalizing which makes me sick because this is not fair.

"why does Israel need to compromise about everything? why can't the other side (whic btw is the weak side that attacked Israel time after time and still is)compromise?"

The Palestinians compromised a long time ago when they let you occupy their country. Half of what is now Israel is illegal and supposed to be Palestine. The Palestinians are only asking for their right given to them by UN (the parts occupied in 1967) and the Israelis want them to compromise more. What do you expect them to tell take 90% of the country and give us one % that would be enough for us! does that seem like a fair compromise. And again you will tell me Hamas want the whole country but what about fatah and abu mazen who is doing his best to bring peace and accepted most of the Israeli conditions but only faced by killing more than 60 innocent civilians last months and only gets swears and blames from the Israelis and hamas supporters.

" why is it that the defending country that won has to compromise and the other side doesn't have to at all?"

Israel was merly a defending country in 1967 as they were the starters although not in a direct way. And wether Israel occupied the land during a defense war or not, it is still called occupier. If I come to steal your money and you instead stole everything I own because you were stronger, do you think the law will forgive you for that? You will be charged as a theif and put in jail even if you were defending yourself. The Israelis have to pay for their occupation. They brought the headache to themselves. Now when the Palestinians are calling for their rights, they are called terrorists.

why are we being blamed b/c they don't want to agree?

did israel not accept the 1947 resolution?

The partition plan in 1947 gave the Jews who were minority at that time more land than the Arabs who were majority. It also stated that the leadership can not be Arabic.The Arabs considered this unfair and started the war. If you want to argue about Jordan now, Jordan was given to the Arabs 27 years before Israel. The Palestinians who lived in Palestine at that time were still palestinians not Jordanians

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"accept the peace agreement and start doing something positive don't play victim, it doesn't help u."

Once you offer a real peace agreement, the Palestinians will accept it. Don't say we want peace and then kill the civilians.

How many Israeli civilians are killed compared to how many palestinian civilians? Don't tell me Hamas hide among the civilians, yes they do but some civilians are killed in areas that don't have hamas.

The Palestinians are not playing victims, they are victims of illegal zionist occupation and for some reason they have to pay their lives in addition to their homes.

I can occupy your home, kill your parents, and kidnap your brother/sister, then tell you ok hamarker, lets make a peace deal, I can give you your brother/sister back but leave me alone. And I say now I offered you a compromise, it is your turn to compromise.

usa ought to get out of the middle East. We waste 6 million money an afternoon financing Israel. We rather paid for the Gaza attack. now we ought to pay for the freshen up. Israel extensively utilized American money to construct the unlawful settlements then made usa pay extra money to eliminate the unlawful settlements in Palestine. the explanation why the terrorists attack us is using the fact we help Israel. would not you be mad on the Israel in the event that they stole your components and compelled you to pass away? Its no longer merely like the terrorists are upset for no reason.

yes.

but what do you suggest?

I'll tell you what Israel tried already so you don't have to rethink it.

1. offering peace ? didn't work

2. ceasefire? didn't work

3. leaving gaza ? didn't work

hamas is in control over gaza and they have clearly stated they do not recognize israel and only want to destroy it.

btw a suicide squad was targeted this morning by the IDF.

so what are your new suggestions?

4. communication ? has been tried many times and still is through Egypt and Syria.

so if communication fails what then?

continue with communication even if the other side doesn't want to? communicate with yourself?

what can be done if communication fails?

don't misunderstand my hard questions I truely want to see peace and I wish hamas would go down and that a sane group would come up and agree to peace.

nas

israel never offered peace u say? - what about 1995, 2000, 2001??

2 a full ceasefire for ever u say? when ??

3not pulled out of gaza u say? what are you talking about israel tore down israelisfrom their homes and got out almost 3 years ago.

u support the hamas ways of achieving anything?

they have done nothing good. the future will show you that groups as such bring nothing good to any1.

I agree with hopeless.

here is a website by peres trying to do that.

http://www.peres-center.org/

edit: yes I agree with you too Londener problem is when is that day? and why do people have to go through suffering to make that day happen? we have offered peace many times, we tried in 2001 to give them 97% of what they wanted then.

so why do we have to get to a point that they suffer so much just to hear them say stop we're ready for peace.

mimi

here is something from 2001 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/23/israel...

about the peace talks arafat was offered twice (camp david and taba)95-97% no counter offer was ever given.

I got to go but I'll be back, if I make you sick then sorry, but I don't see hamas accepting any peace agreement, if I saw a chance I would but they don't recognize israel and I really got to go but I'll wait for a reply, and one more thing, why does Israel need to compromise about everything? why can't the other side (whic btw is the weak side that attacked Israel time after time and still is)compromise? why is it that the defending country that won has to compromise and the other side doesn't have to at all? why are we being blamed b/c they don't want to agree?

did israel not accept the 1947 resolution?

accept the peace agreement and start doing something positive don't play victim, it doesn't help u.

edit I never said all palestinians are hamas you remember I sent you a mail 6 months ago saying I'm so happy that annapolis is on the way, and I really hoped abu mazen would be the leader that would bring the peace with olmert to the WB and later that it would spread, but now I don't know what will happen.

btw you make it seem as if israel decided to wake up one morning and make the arabs countries around it attack it. israel did not tell any1 to attack it, and now after attacking you think everything can be like normal, this is not ok by me,

the example you give is also incorrect.

if you come and attack me and then loose you can't say ohh wait let's make peace i lost so let's make peace.

No if u lost u have to be more considerate and less demanding that is the reality.

I am united with all those who grieve over this senseless violence. It is a good time to reflect how it all began. Britain was losing it's war; the Soviet revolution took Russia out of the war,releasing more German troops to fight in the west. Lord Rothschild offered a huge war loan that was desperately needed,in exchange for eventual Jewish control over the Holy Land. The violence will not stop until the jewish State is dismantled.

to hamar

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surprise me that there are some pple are convinced with what you saying that is sad

1 israel never offered peace.peace is very well known how to be achieved ,till this minute israel never stopped confiscated land and building on it and that is no peace effort

2 truce,the palestinians gave free truece(sieze fire from on side) but israel never stopped shelling gaza or the west bank

3 pulled out of gaza .no sir you did not pull out of gaza you just turned gaza to a huge jail the most largest jail in world ,you locked the door and had the keys in your pocket

the journalist "died yesterday" died of injuries from a tank shelling."the tank was shelling those bare handed pple"

the 2 days infant died a month ago(with 102 others)was sleeping next to his father

in lebanon UN rushed to implement men why israel do not agree to bring as much to seperate pals from israeli

"the reason is that will not help in peace negotiation" do you believe that

UN troopers in lebanon helping while in gaza and west bank they are an obsticle?/

The usual terrorist, Israeli soldiers killing Palestinian babies and children, 20 unarmed Palestinians were killed in cold blood by the Israeli occupation army and air force and we didn't hear any condemnation by any one, not even the Arab countries are condemning it.

Unless the Israel terrorist are put accountable and taken into an international court they will never stop such savage acts against inocent civilians and children.

Among the killed is a journalist for reuters, Time to put an end to this terrorist country.

Londoner what we both need is to have a full ceasefire which the Israeli leaders so far reject. What do the people in Israel say about a full ceasefire or the people want more racket coming from Gaza.

No we are not.

They didn't "mess up" this is not the first time this has happened, reckless attacks are nothing new.

You know that full well, Israelis don't give a **** about Palestinian civilians.

It was a refugee camp, the dead and the wounded were all civilians.

But I'm sure they will somehow justify it by saying "Hamas are a threat... we suspected there were militants hiding among them... we will do ANYTHING (i.e. what happened yesterday) to secure our survival."

Here you go, your fellas have given a number of valid reasons:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Al...

They (Pals&Izls) have too much hate, it's unfortunate, but then again reality is a sad place.

There is no Need to sound sympathetic by the way.

EDIT, I know that, I have a (slow but) functioning brain. But frankly, you can't speak for all Israelis (on this matter), most either think it was the right thing to do (/disagree with you) or have a passive feeling.