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If you don't consider hip hop "real" music, can you...?
...please explain to me why?
This the Merriam-Webster definition of music:
a: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity
b: vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony.
How does hip hop music not fit? Ok, so it defies tradition and places the emphasis on rhythm rather than melody or harmony? How does that eliminate it from the definition? Not liking it is one thing. Trying to say that it is not something that it is, is completely another.
Charles: I'm trying to understand their reasoning. If you don't like a question, ignore it. Common sense 101.
Trojan: I have no problem with someone not liking something. That's your preference. There are a lot of popular things that I don't like: pro football, alcohol, reality tv, whatever. The difference is that I don't demean people who do like such things.
Making base assumptions about things that are different from what a population is used to is something that ties together the greatest atrocities of history: the Crusades, slavery, the Holocaust. That's the same thing you're doing with those crude descriptions you've made. There are literally thousands of hip hop artists who defy such stereotypes yet you seem perfectly content to use them. What does that say about you?
Captain Crunch; "Everything since then has been crap?" Have you really listened to EVERYTHING that falls under the hip hop umbrella since Public Enemy?
Sean: Does it make sense for me to think of all Irish as hot tempered, alcoholic Catholics who reproduce at an alarming rate? After all, that's what the media depicts.
Sean: that's exactly my point. Sure, I COULD do that. But is that right? Is that fair? There's a world of Irish people who don't fit into that stereotype, just as there is a world of hip hop that doesn't fit into the stereotype that you described.
Why should the judgment of hip hop be based on the caricature of what is played on the radio anymore than the judgment of Irish people be based on the caricature of what is shown in movies?
Charles: Please re-read. My question wasn't "Why don't you consider hip hop music?" It was "If you don't consider hip hop music can you please explain why?" I provided a definition of music so people could explain to me how hip hop differs from that.
And I never said I was owed an explanation. Does every question ever asked have to be preempted by an explanation on why an answer should be given? Is curiosity no longer allowed? Nobody had to answer. If they did so, it was of their own accord.
And please don't make assumptions about me. You don't know how I would deem an answer. The reason I asked the question is because I really want to know, not to try and prove anyone opinion wrong.
Carlos: Please don't misunderstand me...I was being blatantly disrespectful. Your initial response was arrogant and inappropriate to the question in the first place. Thus I returned it in kind. I don't have a problem with you but I would suggest that henceforth, when you're answering a question on here, it may be best to make sure you properly understand the query.
Peace.
16 Answers
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Omagus preach on son. Preach on.
I bet you don't get an educated answer. Put it on Rock & Roll section.
- Irish SeanLv 61 decade ago
I don't know what you're referencing with the word "real" (I don't see that in the Merriam-Webster definition), however, it does seem to fit into the defined category.
I would simply question what socially redeeming quality this "music" offers when it promotes crime and violence? Not to mention that the "lyrics" are not suitable for public consumption. The FCC's guidelines require that songs are edited for language and content when broadcast over the airwaves.
How enjoyable is this "music" when many words and/or phrases are deleted by radio and TV stations?
Omagus: if you wish to view all Irish as drunks, that's certainly your right and I'm certain you'd base that on personal experiences.
Though, I thought the topic of this discussion was Hip Hop?
Peace.
- CaptainCrunchLv 51 decade ago
Dude .. The AMC Gremlin was a car ... but it wasnt' a very good one!
Listen, Rap has the potential to be a great social force; just like folk music was in the 60's. Put in the correct hands it could be used to inspire large amounts of people by introducing concepts such as family, relationships, work, and and having a common goal ... instead it's mainly about pimps, ho's and makin' easy money ... and flaunting it.
Public Enemy, now that was a great Rap band ... everything since then has been crap!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The founding principles of Hip Hop are "Peace, Love, Unity and Having Fun" There are many different genres of Rap music and its annoying when people who hates Raps defines it by being selective and chooses e.g. "make it rain on dem hoes" to show how uncivilized and violent it is. Theres a huge Hip Hop community all over the world spreading positivity with breakdancing, rap music, grafitti and DJ'ing.
The NWA album became a blueprint of record companies through sensationalism could sell sell sell and thats what they use today.. what many Hip Hop haters see on TV right now is many times Hip Hop taken completely out of context.
Not all HIp Hop is violent and degenerate...
some classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk_DBrjtH0s&feature...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h6pcqC6wrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPpEWviqoIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBgvwO-i6ls
some newer stuff... that might be worthy of being labeled music by the elitists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgLR4PwhZHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hszpWe5WR7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBb2FknAYDM
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
Good question and analysis. I think there are many people who have disdain for hip hop because of some of the risque lyrics. Just because one doesn't like the lyrics doesn't take away from the fact hip hop is still music. For all intents and purposes I could yell "F*** that B*** and suck my D***" over Mozart and Beethoven but the music is still music. Alas my friends a rose is still a rose.....
- <dr@b0ne>Lv 71 decade ago
Omagus apart from the Reproduction you've summed up half my ancestry to a tee.
Just Kidding Right On Way to Tell it like it is.
These Rock Fans are just jealous because try as they might their music is all folksy, sad and dated in '08.
Well pretty much all of it.
- aimjeezyLv 61 decade ago
When they say that, they mean because hip hop doesn't use as many natural instruments as say, Rock does. Its more on the electric side (electric slidin on them boys!!) you know drum machines, synthesizers,etc. But it aint like Guitars been around since the beginning of time or some ish. At one point or another they were new in music, the same goes for electronic instruments.
- 1 decade ago
I made this same argument a while back... But no one seemed to have a rebuttal. Ignorance can't really be backed up anyways.
EDIT: Most ignoramous' like my buddy down there seem to think "Rap is crap," and it's only about ho's, money, and cars, because they're just like alot of teenagers these days. THEY WATCH TOO MUCH TV and they listen to the radio too often. If all they're going to do is judge rap based off of what the media is feeding them, then their arguments mean nada to me.
- Ns@YnELv 61 decade ago
I think we all have asked this question and they wont give you an answer of relevance...smh Its a waste..."All they say is it degrades women, its about violence etc..."
But what does that have to do with the question...Its asking why DONT yall consider it to be music?...lol plain and simple...Its not about whether you like it or not...THE DEFINITION BACKS THAT IT IS MUSIC...he wants to hear you guys reasoning's for not believing that it is real music. SMH
- 1 decade ago
You know I agree with you on this one Omagus, but I bet none of them give you an answer.
I tried this once before asking them to explain exactly how hip hop makes people violent and not one of them replied.
If they're not saying "you can't spell crap without rap" and sounding ridiciously proud of themselves for it on a random thread, they don't seem to have anything to say at all.
VVVV I rest my case: plenty of hate, not one valid arguement for your point.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Amen to that!
heal the rockers inner demons!
