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Hold Em' question concerning pot odds and calls.....?
Let me try this again since I didn't get any decent answers yesterday.....
If I am on a draw, is a good call after the flop only a good call if I get to see the turn and the river? What I mean here is, when you determine pot odds after the flop, (8 outs = 32%, for example), that percentage is based on me hitting an out on the turn OR the river, right? What happens when I don't hit my out on the turn and my opponent makes another bet that would now be a bad call once my odds are cut in half (8 outs = 16% after the turn)? Is a good call after the flop only a good call if you get to see the turn AND river? It seems to me that a call after the flop is only good if I take full advantage of the odds which were calculated which could mean seeing the hand out to the river. How do you adjust for this?
5 Answers
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
this is where reading your opponents is vital. you want to only pay enough to cover the pot odds. when you see somebody bet 1 X the BB, and the next bettor raises to 2X, this almost always says draw. by raising, the 2nd bettor nearly always guarantees a check on the next card and thus pays very little to complete their flush. however, you need to be able to have a read on your opponents to figure out if this will work. Or, if you are acting first, you need to know what to bet or when to check to maximize your chances of getting your draw for the right price. usually, most people acting first will pay 3X the BB as the cost of hitting their flush.
- 1 decade ago
Personally I take pot odds and look at them with each bet I have to make. If I flop and open ended str8 on the flop and have 8 outs to improve I have about a 17% chance if hitting on the turn. I am really looking for around 4 to 1 pot odds to continue chasing the straight. Unless I am in a tournament and have a large stack then I can take more chances if it feels right. If there is 400 in the pot on the flop and they bet 400, I've got 2 to 1 odds and I will let it go. If they bet 100 or 150 then I would personally call. Everything is situational though. If you have a strong read on your opponent and think you can push him off the flop if a scare card comes or you know they will over commit if you do hit your straight then it may be worth calling without having the pot odds there. Everything is situational. Good luck at the tables.
- 1 decade ago
Roshambo made a mistake explaining pot odds.
If there is a pot with 400$ in it and it gets raised 400$ to you (assuming your 2 handed) you are getting 3:1 pot odds.
Better explained like this, if you win the pot you will get the original 400, the 400 he bet, and the 400 you bet making it 1200$ total.
When calculating your pot odds you need to add whatever you throw into the pot to the final winnings.
Another example.
Pot is 100 you get raised 200. The total pot would be 100+200+200=500 and your part of that is 200. So your looking at 500/200 pot odds (whatever the math is, something like 40%).
Also if you are palying no limit you need to add alot of implied odds to drawing to the nuts. Ace-X suited is usually a hand with monster odds unless of course there is a full house of face cards sitting on the table.
- 1 decade ago
It depends on Limit/No Limit. Cash game vs Tournament.
No Limit- You would need to use more implied odds. The Pott odds + the $$ amount you can win by hitting your outs.
Limit- If you are a 2:1 dog on the flop you will always have the odds to call and even on the turn depending on the pot amount.
Level of the game- If you are playing .25/.50 you will be hard pressed to get anyone to fold until the river.
This is who people tend to raise with a draw to give them the odds to call the whole way down.
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- whodeyflyaLv 61 decade ago
The pot odds will change if another bet is made on the turn, so you can only answer this by recalculating the pot odds. Some people will also use impled odds to justify a call...in other words you're likely to get paid off big if you hit the river, so what is the pot likely to reach on the river?