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If a Church is violating the law, should it really get TWO YEARS before being cited?
The attached atricle discusses a church that has been the subject of noise violation complaints for the past two years (starting in 2006). The pastor makes no defense, and, in other statements, admits that loud services often extend into the late evening. I've nothing against peaceful worship, but when you're disturbing the peace, doesn't a church fall under the same rules as any other group?
To those who say that the complaints are against Christianity, I have been to Massilon, don't live far away, and there are lots of churches. The pastor admitted that services are loud, and go late into the evening. If my neighbors did that regularly, they'd be cited. But the church was given two years - two years of waking up babies, interrupting sleep, disrupting sex, and getting in the way of others' peace. We're also not talking about just music - this is a shouting kind of church. Exuberant, I think the article said.
John S - So it is 'legal', by your standards, for a church to murder? Steal? Cheat? Lie?
And don't say no church would do that. History proves otherwise. Your argument is silly - and that is coming from someone who studied political science at a Christian college.
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
YES!
Churches are subject to the law of the land see source cited as example
There are city zone and code standards and Christian services are subject to it the same as everyone else. Unless there is a law against the will of God or the Constitution such as was Hitler wanting to have Jews turned in Christians are biblically mandated to obey the law see the following Scripture reference please
Jesus ever stated: “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”)
The Apostle Paul writes in Romans 13:1-13
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
The apostle Peter writes in the 1 Peter 2:13-14
Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
- ManoGodLv 61 decade ago
If the church is disturbing those around and the pastor has been advised and, as you have said, the pastor has admitted that the services are loud and extend into the late evening then the pastor should do something about it. Not just say 'oh yeah, we do that'.
If the fellowship I attend was making loud noises into the night and disturbing others then I would certainly be one of the first to tell them to turn it down late at night and to show respect to others. It is not only decent and correct to show respect. But it is very unloving not to.
- Higgy BabyLv 71 decade ago
Actually, the church can not violate the law by constitution. Thats the real purpose of the "so called" separation clause. The government can not make any law with respect to religion or the free exercise thereof. For a community to have a sound ordinance is a good thing- but it is illegal to attempt to apply it to the church. By the constitution, the church is protected from the law. But in this particular case I think the church has used loudspeakers in a neighborhood- I can understand the complaint. The church should take measures to keep the noise outside the church to normal levels during "normal" sleeping times. The congregation in this church are not being very "Christian like".
- Martin SLv 71 decade ago
The Pastor should have been obedient to the teachings of the Bible so that the church didn't have to get cited.
1 Peter 2:13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
He should have kept the noise down until he could find a place to hold the services where the noise wouldn't be a problem.
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- 1 decade ago
The Supreme Law in our land, the US Constitution, says that no one can make a law which limits the free exercise of religion:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Therefore any law which attempts to regulate how loud Christians can sing or praise God in a church is null and void.
This has been the law for over 215 years now.
Churches also don't have to pay taxes but everyone else does.
Pastor Art
- Anonymous1 decade ago
We have to uphold the law of the country in which we stay unless the law contradicts the bible.
Surely the pastor could have made the services earlier or gone to a different location..... It's strange, but happened for a reason.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Probably the people who were complaining were just against Christianity and trying to bug the pastor. It wouldn't bother me at all if there was a church near by making a lot of musical noise. I don't call it noise. I call it worship and praise.