Tell me if you agree with my dad's statement of all metal guitarists?

Dude I understand where You're BOTH coming from. All this Grunting, Squealing, and Screaming absolutely sucks to Me. I can't stand it and would rather listen to Someone's nails being drug across a blackboard, and I'm 41. So I kinda understand Your Dad's position.

BUT, I vividly remember being 17 and having MY Dad tell Me "Son that stuff is just noise, it takes no talent to play, it takes real talent to play Classical Music" The Bands He was referring to that "sucked" and were "talentless" to Him at the time were Judas Priest and Def Leppard. Obviously he was wrong. But it was His age and the fact that the Music was so alien to His frame of refrence that distorted His viewpoint. Exactly the same way with me and most modern Metal. I hear it, I hear rubbish, so does Your Dad. It's the Generation gap at work all over again. So I understand where You're coming from too.

But He's wrong about the Music not requiring talent. It does.

*Edit*

I'm with Your Dad on the Technicality issue. It's obvious to Me that the more technically sound a Guitarist is the better of a Guitarist they are.

*Edit 2*

Before anybody jumps My weathers remember I said "most" modern Metal NOT "all" modern Metal

*Edit 3*

I understand Your frustration here Holy River. I used to fell exactly the same way trying to convince My Dad that KK Downing and Glenn Tipton's Guitar Work has just as much Musical value as a Beethoven Sonata did. I hope you have better luck than I did. over 20 years later and My Dad still hates all Rock Music

Sorry but your dad is just like every other ignorant person out there. How can you be not talented in a genre that features the most talented musicians out of any rock or rock type genre? It just doesn't make sense. If he likes technicality you should show him a band like Origin or Decapitated or Brian Drill. Maybe show him some Atheist and see if he thinks that they aren't talented. Basically, your dad falls into the category of most of the population that thinks that screaming automatically makes any band bad. Obviously his ears aren't trained to listen to metal music. And I can say this with objectivity, it's not like metal is the only genre that I listen to. As a matter of fact, I have played classical piano since age 4, so I would say that I have an extremely varied taste of music and an acute sense of what classifies as talented and what is not talented. To me, fast shredding on a guitar can be impressive if it is extremely clean, but it doesn't compare to guitarists like Satriani or Buckethead that put immense feeling into solos. Maybe show him some Death, they are another band that have extremely musical solos.

EDIT- I also think that what may bother your dad most is just the screaming, so he can't look past the screaming and actually hear what is going on. My parents do the same thing and also think my music is sh1t but I just have come to ignore them. Their loss, they don't get to hear the best music that is being put out today because they won't have their ears adjust to screaming, which I admit can be a hard task. I was not open to screaming at first, but now when bands don't scream it almost feels empty (depending on the style of music). But anyways, I don't think you'll be able to convince your dad.

I don't agree with your Dad on his comments. The truth is...

metal guitarist are definitely "talented" and here are some clear examples of that...

1. Eddie Van Halen

2. Vinnie Vincent - ( was in KISS from 1982 - 1983)

3. Dave Mustaine

4. Yngwie Malmsteen

5. Steve Vai

6. Joe Satriani

7. Warren De Martini - Ratt

8. George Lynch - Dokken

9. Randy Rhoads - Ozzy

10. John Petrucci -Dream Theater

Even though I tend to agree with your Dad on this issue, I'm happy to see that your interested In rock.

My sons will only listen to Hip Hop or Rap, or whatever that crap is.

I think that music is generational, that is to say that, my Dad enjoyed the Big band era, he liked music that was popular when he was 12 years old.

I like music that was around when I was 12, and earlier to (say about 64 to 79) by the time the 80's rolled around everything started to sound crappy.

My sons are the same way, they started to like rap when they were 12, and now there hooked. give them a couple of more years and new rap will start sounding bad to them.

If I was your Dad I wouldn't even argue with you about this, at least you like rock, but wait for 5 or 10 years, and all the new stuff you'll hear will sound like crap.

The equipment improves every decade, since thrash and grunge there has become a huge gap between the old and the new that wasn't there before. In the eighties you loved the rock from the sixties and seventies as well. Now the music is just too hard for someone from that era to consider as good. In fact it probably sounds like a joke.

Technicality isn't all that counts but it's pretty important. I could pick up a guitar and have more heart than any guitarist ever...but if I can only play three chords then I'm not ranked among the great, am I?

You`re right about guitarists prefer hair metal and all the stuff he likes to the music you listen to mostly,but without melody it`s really bad.You can get technicality by practicing a lot,but to create a good riff or a solo you have to be really gifted,and that`s what a good guitar player should have in my opinion.

A good song doesn`t have to be hard to play,it should sound good!!!!!!!!!!!

Umm...

Metal doesnt always have the best Drummers and Bassists

BUT no form touches us when it comes to guitars.

Mike Ammot (Carcass/Arch Enemy)

Chuck Schuldiner (Death)

Kirk Hammet (Metallica)

Dave Mustaine (Megadeth)

DimeBag Daryll Abbott (Pantera)

Just to name a few.

And no offense...but If your dad is into musicianship...and he heard this Core stuff peeps listen to today... I can see where he is coming from.

Speaking as a classicly schooled person..most of it DOESNT have any discernable melody or harmony. If you ar elooking for pure Brutal...fine I guess... but most of us look for more.

In fact...I think bands that make tempo switched while maintaining melody are actually more Brutal than those that don't, because you get a huge contrast...emphasizing the brutal elements...where..after a while...bands like SS and others sound like plain noise.

Your dad is speaking ot of experience, but he is also discriminating against all metal guitarists when he makes statemtns like that.

Alot of metal is just playing power chords at a fast pace, but alot of the time, they are extremely talented musicians, that can play a multitude of chords in the blink of an eye..

Tell him to look up Michael Angelo Batio.. He plays many styles, one of which is metal.. does that make him a non-talented metal musician?

Hair metal isn't metal, it's a subgenre of rock, which is why I prefer to call it hair rock. Even with bands like Judas Priest, tell him to listen to the Judas Priest Electric Eye guitar solo. He can't tell you that that takes no talent. And 80% of metal bands don't scream. That's a stupid generalization.