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Muslims: What about the Bible has been changed?
I keep hearing that the Christian Bible has been changed, and you are the main ones to keep saying this. In order for the Quran to be the source of your information concerning this the changes must have occured prior to 600ad.
What texts have been changed and who reported the changes that were made? Why was Allah not able to preserve the Book he says the almost worthy people of the Book follow?
All I have seen so far is one personal attack and the assertion that the Bible has been changed because the Quran has not. My question is specific. What has been changed? What teachings have been left out and how do you know this is the case if the originals do not exist?
Psalm 22:16 in most Hebrew manuscripts include "like the lion". The exclusion in some texts does not negate the actual occurance of the piercing of his side in New Testament accounts, and by no means does it indicate that Christ was not crucified as claimed by the Quran. The great bulk of the psalm testifies opposite the Muslim claim.
Yes. I realize how enormous the subject is. I hope others do as well. Making vague accusations against the Bible is a very poor way to influence anyone to discover truth. All that can be accomplished is further confusion and blind acceptance of hearsay. Some specifics would be nice to study. The youtube link contains nothing. I have added links provided to my favorites list for future study. I was hoping someone would have more solid examples for their own faith. God has spoken to us and not abandoned us. He has given us minds for reasoning and it would be shameful to blindly accept memorized words as truth if truth is not in those words.
The changes in women's dress habits and the practices of men over the last two thousand years can not be considered evidence of what has supposedly been changed about the Bible. The Quran was written around 600ad, not 2000ad. The Quran said the Bible has been changed. What was the original text of the Bible? There are Muslim women today who take liberties with their dress. Does this mean the Quran has been changed? Of course not. It just means some do not live by its teachings. Something happened around 300-600ad that made people think change had taken place.
If you understand what has been said in a particular language, there are so many ways you can restate what has been said and lose no meaning. But if you recite the words of a language you do not understand, what good is that recitation? It has no meaning. Another must interpret for you and you have no assurance the interpretation is faithful to the language. And what about that delicious apple pie recipe handed from mother to daughter over many generations? Instructions may or may not be written for several generations, but the pie still tastes great. If this can be done with a pie, why is it so hard to understand that God is able to keep and protect His word from corruption? And if He does indeed possess this power, why would He not preserve the words of the Book instead of allow them to be abused and lost, needing to be rewritten with different meaning? That pie would certainly not taste the same.
I consider Deedat a vile man. He suffered total paralysis from the nose down for nine years and never repented his stand against the Bible. I do not fault him for his disbelief, but for the way he chose to express that disbelief. His words were vulgar and of no scholarly content, speaking out of context and pandering to sensationalism. He was a prime example of a noted "scholar" upon whom so many rely. I do not wish to speak of him further here but am compelled to answer what may be perceived as a challenge. His words are empty.
To the Church at Ephesus Paul wrote a letter. He did the same to those at Galatia and Philipi. These letters were individual to the separate congregations and also for the edification of the Church as a whole. They were not brought together as one book for a short period of time and during that time many others were writing as well. The books of the New Testament contain the words of truth from God. Christians do not worship a book. We recognize God's word by the Spirit who lives within us. There were many writings that did not belong in the collected works of the Book as evidenced by their very content. The activity of the Church at the time of 300ad had great bearing upon the birth of Islam. The new writing attempts to replace what has become corrupt, but no one knows where the corruption lies and certainly not the content of what was correct.
The teaching of the doctrine of Trinity does not indicate change in what was written unless you can show what was originally written. Refusal to accept this teaching does not make the teaching false and does not strengthen the stance of those opposed without evidence. Where is the evidence the Bible has been changed? I say it in my language, you say it in yours. We may be saying the same thing but with different words. The many translations and versions alluded to still contain the same truth. Why not admit to truth rather than bash on a book that contains the words, attacking that book because the language is different? By your argument Allah was not able to preserve his written word the first time but now is. Added to that is the knowledge that he finds favor with some who follow in the way of error. All of that error had to be introduced prior to 600ad and I still don't see it.
Showing reputed errors and discrepancies is not giving evidence that something has been changed. We can sit and go over the many supposed errors in the Bible, covering them one by one in a sensible fashion, or we can assert that the entire book has been changed and a second book with clearly opposed meaning points to but does not reveal the truth of the first as it was intended. Don't say it has been changed. You have absolutely no evidence of that. Say it is wrong. Then explain why it is wrong and prepare for your own belief system to be torn down.
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
You get a star for that question, sympleesymple:
I've noticed that anyone who has an agenda differing from God's Word must defame what Jesus said: "We must live by... every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."
I don't care if it's Mormons, with their "new revelation", JW's with their New World translation, or Muslims with their blaspehmous slander of God's nature, they all defame God's Word.
Since you asked about Muslims, well, Jews killed Jesus, and the Catholics killed heretics, about 80,000,000 over a period of 1,260 years, so God raised up Muslims to punish them. And that is described in the Bible, including their building of the Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem.
Read "The Rise, Decline, and Death of Islam as Predicted in the Bible" at http://revelado.org/islam.htm
Tell me if that site doesn't work as it has been hijacked in some countries.
Shalom, peace in Jesus, Ben Yeshua
Source(s): P.S.: Although variant manuscripts of the Quran did not equal the stars in the heavens, still, a select group of Muslims burnt all variations, so they stifled critics--or did they? Many Muslim scholars are not happy with what they have or what was done. And, remember this: To criticize or point out inconsistencies in the Quran is equal to defamation and apostacy; a Muslim does not want to do that. Geiser: Correct, the Literal Jewish translation of Psalms 22 is "Like lions they are at my hands and feet." Yes, they were. And Zechariay translates "pierced correctly" "And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced," That was the LORD, and the Qur'an says it was someone else... - ?Lv 45 years ago
Well, you would think so, but here's the difference between the Quran and the Bible... The Bible underwent many different translations and revisions without keeping the originals in tact. The Quran has also undergone many different translations and revisions, however those who've worked on the translations have never altered the original and most include the original Arabic script along with those translations. Also, although not many people use Classical Arabic these days, it's still a living language. Aramaic, the language of Jesus (saws) died long ago, and we could only guess what languages the prophets before him spoke. Although mainstream Christians won't admit to it, even many Christians agree that the Bible in use today is no longer the original Word of God, and the Catholic church in Europe has decided not to use it as a true account of historical events. Even if the Quran hadn't said that the Bible had been altered, I'd still find enough evidence today to come to the conclusion that it has.
- James OLv 71 decade ago
Muslims often claim that there have never been varied editions of the Quran and that it was recorded within a generation of its oral recitation by Muhammed(PBUH)
However, some scholars using literary analysis state that the Quran was composed by different authors over generations
The Dead Sea Scrolls(pre70AD) have basically the same text as the Jewish Masoretic texts used today. "Comparing biblical compositions [of theQumran Community] to the LXX[the Septuaguint, the Alexandrian Greek translation and Judeo-Christian Canon of the Old Testament still used by the Catholics and Orthodox] and to later versions of the [ Jewish OT Bible] Hebrew (the Masoretic text)indicates a highly fluid textual situation."(LukeT. Johnson The Story of the Bible,Emory Univ 2006 p12)
tHeEarly New Testament texts do have variations
The Early Christian Church did not hurry to set a canon( authorized collection) of the New testamentn texts because the Church was the custodian and defender and interpeter not only of the inspired texts butof the Oral Apostolic Tradition
The Bible ,even before the New Testament was officially canonized by the Catholic/Orthodox Church in the 4th and 5th century,was always considered in its context of the Apostolic Tradition out of which it came and in which it was interpreted in its living proclamation by the Chruch in the context of Liturgy of the Word(reading,praying and interpeting the Bible during Prayer services, especially the Eucharist and other sacrament celebrations and in the Liturgy of the Hours(Divine Office)
I find the Quran to be far less inspiring than (and not at all inspired when compared to) the New Testament and at best a throwback to (Pre Talmudic)Old Testament Early Iron Age morals and rationalizations. There is much beautiful and true in the Quran ,as is true of the writings and storiesof all religions,but it does not hold a candle to the New Testament
The Muslims are the People of the Book above all other religions(with the exception of Sikhs, perhaps) and I think more susceptible (if such is possible ) to extreme literalist fundamentalism in their approach to the Quran than other Abrahamic monotheists.
I notice that Muslims do seem to claim that the text"corruptions" that they claim are in the Bible are only those places that contradict the claims of Muslim doctrine and Quranic texts and traditions
- Anonymous1 decade ago
God became man to redeem humanity by love,
Let every man be a liar, but God's WOrd (Jesus Christ) be true. The point is that about 250 years before the Holy Words of the New Testament were put together in One Book, Jesus Christ founded His Church. The Church was/is guide by the Holy Spirit and it is by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that we are saved.
The main point of the New Testament is that Jesus conquered death and sin.. Jesus is the Gospel of Good News. The Good News is to Love God, neighbor and enemy. We live in a sick and dying world and it is only through Jesus Christ that we can be saved from death and sin.
"...avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." 2Tim 2:22-26
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- syrenarcLv 61 decade ago
Muslims are not the only members of the Abrahamic faiths that contest the veracity and authenticity of the Bible. Jews hold that the Old Testament is a mistranslation and altered version of their Tanakh yet many Christians even on this forum believe that the OT is the same scripture of the Jews.
If the Jews claim is true then that fact alone is evidence that the Bible has been altered.
Christianity stands alone among the Abrahamic monotheistic faiths, with the belief that Christ is the son of God and the separation of God's love from his law.
The Quran is the last book and revelation from The One God for all mankind until the end of time.It supersedes all books that came before it and as such it was not necessary to preserve the Ingeel and Zaboor.
- guysterLv 61 decade ago
The main reason the Qur'an hasn't been changed is that so many people don't actually understand it. There are plenty of people who can recite many passages (even the entire book) with no understanding of Arabic. Only the original Arabic version is really trusted, so translation is not as common or appreciated, compared to the Christian bible.
But to answer your question, if you can use Google, you can find the many places where the bible was changed, either on purpose, or accident. A famous one is where the Jewish bible was changed to include the word "pierced" in regard to his death (by crucifixion), whereas the Jewish bible said no such thing (Psalm 22:).
On the flip side, Muslims do harp on about this too much. If they read "Why I am Not a Muslim", they'll see that the Qur'an also is full of contradictions and equally flawed.
- 1 decade ago
If the bible has been changed so has the other books
But all the other holy books say somthing diffrent to the Christian one so the other religious have changed there book
- water lillyLv 41 decade ago
Greetings!
I am a Muslim. And I think I understand what you mean... but for now, with all due respect, pls feel free to check out the following websites:
http://www.islamway.com/english/images/library/con...
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/...
please read up on this book if you get a chance... it goes into much detail about the dead sea scrolls
What Did Jesus Really Say? By Misha'al ibn Abdullah
[i had a free e-book link, but can't find right now]
I will update my answer later if/when I get chance.
thank you for asking.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
After Jesus Christ is lifted to the skies, and a replacement has been placed on the crucifx to save his soul, the bible has been continuously in change. Reasons to fit with the times, to add philosophy of life, to hide the truth of what God said, to make Christianity more of a commercial religion than a heaven based one. Biggest proof is that you have zillions of bible copies and each differ if you place them next to each other and consider. The quran hasn't been changed because God has said that this is the last religion he delivers through muhammad (whom Jesus himself has warned before he was lifted up to the skies) and with that, this holy book was destined to be protected to the world to see.
Well, in Islam the strongest proof for change is the relation of Jesus to God and claiming him his son. The first thing we're learned in Islam is that God does not have a son and does not need the help of any and he's the only God who exists. Thats far as i know, i haven't read the bible because the way i hear it on tv is does not help me relate to times and God. More of a story glorifying Jesus. There's nothing for me to learn.
Source(s): Muslim
