Were Republicans lying before the "surge" or are they lying now?

Before the surge.

And now.

Well actually being on the ground in Iraq in 2004 and then in 2005 and doing after action reports in early 2006 and late 2007, I'll say it's working.

You really can't say the Republicans are lying, a statement you kind of leave hanging in the air without any ability to link it to the Surge, whether it's working or not. Did your teacher tell you to write this? It seems like this notion isn't something you came up with by yourself. But anyway, no need to to insult you.

Yes Democrats do agree with Republicans that the Surge was a success, if you remember back to the time when the Surge was first being floated, many many Independents and a few prominent Republicans/Conservatives stated that the Surge had no chance of succeeding. Well they were wrong, and you can see that not by What Congress and the Candidates have said, but rather what they have DONE. The elected Democrats have largely come around to the fact that conditions are improving in Iraq, which is why the 2006 Democrat revolution is starting to look an awful lot like the Republicans around early 2004. A little more measured in how they are going to proceed with WINNING the war.

That's something that liberals ( I won't say Democrats because I know quite a few rational Democrats, in fact just as many Democrats as Republicans) are trying to brainwash you with. That we can END the war, like we can just make it go away.

Nope, that's not how it works. Countries either Win or Lose. We lost Viet Nam, we could very well LOSE Iraq and Afghanistan if the Democrats were allowed to proceed with their plan.

It's that simple. I'm not saying that should be the difference between you voting Republican, Democrat, Communist Internationalist/Green, Libertarian, etc. But Democrats have quietly acknowledged this and so should you.

---Fallujah Vet

I could cherry pick quotes and statements too - for instance, was Harry Reid lying when he publicly announced that the United States had lost the war - and did so while our troops were still on the front lines and in harms way?

Back to the start - Bush clearly stated that this war would not be easy or quick and that we must remain resolute.

If you recall, the Democrats, with Hillary leading the pack, were calling general Petraeus a liar as he reported positive information on the surge. They called him a liar before he uttered a single word, because moveon.org told them to. He wasn't lying then, apparently, but the Dems didn't want to hear anything unless it was negative. They were the liars.

Think the surge was allot of hopeful thinking with a big dash of desperation.

They are overstating the effects it had, there were many other factors in the fall of terrorist groups, but the surge ultimately turned out to be a good idea.

Bravo!

Excellent quotes!

I think what it means is they've lied through their teeth for the whole time, from the reasons we went to war to the progress being made on the ground today. "Mission Accomplished" indeed!

I am sick of you stupid liberals with your damn anti american propaganda, go join al queda if you hate this damn country so much.

So... I take it your NOT happy the war is going VERY good?

Oh... here's some more historical quotes for you to

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

They always lie.