Does Christianity have any similar problem as does Judaism?

answer: well there is the fighting as to whether SDAs, Mormons or JWs are "real" Christians. Does that count?

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Wise - you aren't. Paperback is as about as Jewish as they come. Messianics are Christians. A belief in Jesus makes some1 a Xian, not a Jew.

I'm betting Lydy won't supply a link to ANY Jew whose ordained a Messie as a Rabbi and knew they were ordaining a Messianic.

Christianity had a similar problem with Gnostics and Manichaeans, in the Late Antiquity. They claimed to be the only and true Christians, but didn't believe in Jesus' divinity and had a faith of their own, including Jesus as a prophet among others, just like Islam now or Jehovah's witnesses who deny the supernatural status of this man. But to answer precisely to your question, the name of "Christian" was never so envied than the name "Jewish" : almost every new religion stemming from misreadings of the Bible, named itself "real" Judaism, and its followers "real" Jews. The Christian Church, calling itself "Verus Israel" (true Israel, from Paul's epistle to the Romans) does exactly the same. There is, according to some historians, the real origin of antisemitism : a feeling of rivalry and a desire to take the place of the actual Jews, God's "favorite" people. Many nations felt that this divine choice was very unfair and resented God and Israel, because they misunderstood totally the real meaning of the Election, and didn't see (don't see) what it actually means. They think it is a very unfair preference, and overlook many passages of the Bible which are quite clear about that, in Deuteronomy or Isaiah.

I haven't noticed any. They complain about Mormons & JVs but don't realize how similar it is to Christianity compared to Judaism. Nor do Mormons & JVs believe false things about Baptists, Lutherians, Catholics, etc & claim those sects don't know who they are.

A better parallel would be Mormons claiming they were Baptists.

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Tahullah

Way to support Hitler's defnition of a Jew. You claim to be practicing Judiasm, not previous practicing it, so that's an outright lie to claim it's "background" of yours -- besides which you never practiced Judaism.

Edit: So your a Christian but support other people doing what I commented on? Same problem, same intolerance, same spitting on Judaism. Could have sworn you had different words there earlier about yourself when I answered; maybe I misread your support as full participation. So you agree their theology is like yours? It certainly isn't like ours -- see our endless statements.

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LyndaLee

Provide the names & locations of those Rabbis because that's more outright lying. Maybe you've been told these things & believe them -- but do the research. It's really sad to be attacked so erroneously. Anyone else-- just call the seminaries that ordane (& Rabbi's don't do ordaning, the schools do).

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Really how hard is it to let Jews keep our names. We've been robbed of lives, belongings, & places to live. Now you want to take our name & justify it as "your" religion. This is anti-semitism out & out, when said that way...

Problem? What problem? Imposter's would be hypocrites.

There are hypocrites everywhere, claiming all kinds of things. You don't have to identify them by what they profess, it's not like they know they are hypocrites, and it's not like you can convince hypocrites of their sins.

Why are you have to accepting hypocrites at face value? That just guarantees your participation in that hypocrisy.

For Christ's sake, I seriously doubt that Messianics are imposter's. (How can Messianic Judaism wreck your faith in Judaism? How could Judaism become antisemitic?)

Paperbacks are not renowned for their nonfiction....

Wearing the star of David as an avatar, and professing strongly that you are so God damned sure that Messianic Jews and Jews for Jesus are Christians, then I going to have to believe that you must know because you are such a God damned Christian pretending to be Jewish.

Surely you've seen here the antipathy toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.

Yeshua said that there would be many who would be wolves in sheep's clothing (people who were outwardly religious but inwardly were only there for personal profit of some kind). Clearly, there are many who are cultural or nominal Christians but who have made the words of man much more important than the words of the Bible.

In fact, both Christianity, Judaism, and Messianic Judaism have to be careful of the same thing-- coming up with ideas which are not in the Bible at all. Humans have hearts that are proud and stubborn.. and we will do almost anything rather than take G-d at His word.

It is a universal issue.

Think about it.

Traditional Judaism has done it in some ways.

Historical Christianity has done it, too. Remember all the idols and customs that arrogant Gentiles came up with which aren't in the Bible.

Some Messianic fringe groups have distorted God's word, too, to our shame.

We are very good at remaking God into our own image and calling the distortion good.

However, God's word stands on a solid foundation. The Lord knows those who are His.

P.S. As much as you don't like Messianic Jews yet, the day may come when you change your mind.

G-d bless you.

All the sects that disavow the Divinity of Christ and the Trinity pretty much fall into that category.

i do not recognize messianic jews as rea jews. if you are a true jew you know the messiah hasn't come yet and you know jesus was not significant. messianic jews bother me.

I think that one should do more research on the matter.

While I will not disclose any name there are Rabbis that are Orthodox and Reformed and conservative that have ORDAINED Messianic Rabbis as Rabbis.

We consider oursleves Jewish because we beleive our savior was Jewish and that those who followed him back in his day were Jewish, doesn't mean that they gave up their heritage or faith they beleived him to be the Messiah. There is no such thing as Christianity back then , and Christianity isn't what it was anymore it has become to mean a completely different thing today. I don't beleive in Religion I beleive in

Faith and trust in my L_rd. Religion is manmade and so is Christianity as it as become more about numbers than teachings of our L_rd and Savior. I CHOOSE TO associate with Messianics BECAUSE THEY I beleive are closer to the true Faith on earth .

Shalom

To slightly clarify:

A Jew who adopts ANY other faith, cannot still claim to be 'jewish'. ~The Tanakh itself makes this crystal clear.

But no other religion has tried to HIJACK the very word 'Jewish'. Only a Christian Evangelical Cult which lies by calling itself Messianic 'judaism'.

It was founded by Christians.

It is funded by Christians.

All members are devout Christians.

They do NOT have the right to call themselves 'jews' any more than *I* have the right to call myself a CHEROKEE INDIAN.

There is no 'messianic' sect IN Judaism.

And no Jew on this planet can worship ANY HUMAN and remain part of Judaism.

If a Christian decides that someone OTHER THAN JESUS is their messiah - are they still a Christian?

Answer: no

So why do some people try and DENY Judaism the exact same RIGHT to define its own beliefs?

Hypocrisy in the extreme.

http://www.ajewwithaview.com/

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TALLULAH:

If you knew the Tanakh and if you knew Judaism you would also KNOW you are incorrect.

Read and learn and then please STOP lying and posing as a Messianic 'jew' when you are a Christian:

And just as many people convert to Judaism, and thus become Jews, those Jews who convert to another faith are no longer Jews.

The Biblical basis for this is I Kings 18:21. Elijah the prophet asked Jews who were beginning to slip into the worship of the idol, Baal, "How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the God of the Jews is God, follow Him! but if Baal is God, then follow him!" Elijah told the Jews, one or the other, not both! You cannot believe in two opposite, mutually exclusive ideas simultaneously. Judaism and Christianity believe in opposite, mutually exclusive ideas, and you cannot be a Jew and a believer that Jesus was the Christ at the same time.

A Rabbi in the later Middle Ages named the Hai Gaon, as quoted by Aderet in Responsa, VII #292, stated that a Jew who converted out of the faith was no longer a Jew.

This was shared by numerous rabbis, which can be seen in the Responsa literature of Simon ben Zemah of Duran, Samuel de Medina, Judah Berab, Jacob Berab, Moses ben Elias Kapsali, and others in the Middle Ages.

Most recently this can also be seen in the Responsa of the Satmar Rov in his Divrei Torah, Yoreh Deah #59, paragraph 5, as well as in the Responsa of Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, Even Haezer Volume 4 Number 53.

The very famous rabbi, Moses ben Maimon, called Maimonides, also wrote that if a Jew converted to Christianity, he or she was no longer a Jew. See Maimonides, Hilchot Mamrim Perek 3, Halacha 1-3, as well as in Maimonides's Mishnah Torah, Avodat Kochavim 2:5.

Rabbi Moses Isserles demanded a formal conversion back to Judaism for those who converted out of Judaism but who then wanted to return to Judaism. He demanded ritual immersion (mikveh) and repentance before a court of three (beit din). You will see this also in other Responsa literature: Radbaz, Responsa III, 415; Moses Isserles to Yoreh Deah 268.12; and Hoffman, Melamed Leho-il II, 84.

It was only after the experience of the Marranos, Jews who were forced by the Church to convert to Catholicism but who secretly practiced Judaism, that the Rabbis stated that one who converted involuntarily out of Judaism did not have to convert back to Judaism. This assumes that because it was done out of force, the Jew in his heart never really left the Jewish religion. This also concerns only those who wish to return to Judaism. It says nothing about those who accept the theology of Christianity as their own and therefore remain Christian.

Orthodox Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, writing for the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, for the National Conference of Synagogue Youth, the Orthodox Youth Group, in his book The Real Messiah, on page 21 wrote:

Christianity negates the fundamentals of Jewish faith, and one who accepts it rejects the very essence of Judaism. Even if he continues to keep all of the rituals, it is the same as if he abandoned Judaism completely.

As an act of leniency, however, few rabbis today ask the ex-Jew returning to Judaism to go through any ceremony of conversion. This might be a "stumbling block before the blind," before those who wish to return. So long as one remains a Christian, one is no longer a Jew. But if one wishes to return to Judaism, the return is made easy as an act of compassion. However, a return must be made, because the person left both Judaism and the Jewish People by converting to another faith.

Similarly, so long as one believes that Jesus was anything more than a human being who lived and died around 2,000 years ago, that person cannot convert TO Judaism, and become a Jew. The two faiths of Judaism and Christianity are simply mutually exclusive and incompatible.

The "Jews for Jesus" are not Jews. Originally founded by a very old organization known as The American Board Of Missions To The Jews, as their San Francisco office, they changed their name to "Jews" for Jesus, as the newest technique in missionizing the Jews to Christianity.

Were you to compare the theology of the "Jews" for Jesus with the theology of the Southern Baptist Convention, you would see no difference. Compare the statements of faith of the Messianic "Jewish" Alliance of America (whose original name was the Hebrew Christian Alliance of America), with the statement of faith from the Southern Baptist Convention. Both the MJAA and the SBC have web sites.

Christian missionaries (and this includes the "Jews" for Jesus, the Messianic "Jews," and the "Hebrew" Christians) claim that this deceptive technique originates with Paul, in I Corinthians 9:20, where he says that it is okay to pretend to be anything, so long as it gets converts to Christianity. One can also see this in Phillipians 1:18. Furthermore, it is expanded in the idea of Indigenous Cultural Evangelism. This is the name to the missionary technique which says so long as you make the targets think that they can be both a Christian and whatever they were before their conversion, then missionizing will be easier. See Understanding Church Growth, by Donald A. McGavran, the chapter on The Sociological Foundation.

So, the "Jews for Jesus" are merely another Christian Missionary organization, which make converts to Christianity by dressing up the Christian theology in Jewish clothing.

http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/