Can a Jewish person let me know something? I believe in Jesus....?

The first verse of psalm 110 is NOT talking about the mashiach- it is referring to Avraham- and is talking about when he defeated Amraphel and his allies. Similarly- in verse 4 it refers to when Avraham gave tithes to Melchizedek- who then blessed Avraham and transferred the priesthood to him: the Hebrew there is "עַל-דִּבְרָתִי, מַלְכִּי-צֶדֶק" According to what Melchi-zedek SAID! I'm afraid your translation of it is completely incorrect if you read and understand it in Hebrew!

As For in Jeremiah- it is a RENEWAL of the law- making it easier for us to keep by making it easier for us to do so- it is not a new law- just that out understanding of it becomes instinctive (in our hearts) rather than the way we have to struggle to understand it now! God stated that the Torah was eternal and would never be changed. God is not inconstant, he does not lie- if he said the Torah is eternal and would never change- then it is ETERNAL and never changes!

As for the red heifer- it has nothing to do with Jesus. There is no such thing as vicarious atonement- we can only atone for our own sins, nobody can atone on our own behalf! The red heifer didn't atone for the sins of individuals- only for the sins of the community as a whole! In fact- intentional sin can only be atoned for through repentance, there is no sacrifice for intentional sin. Sin sacrifices were only for unintentional sins with the penalty of kares (heavenly excision) or mitei bidei Bies Din- a death sentence for the courts. All other sins were atoned for via repentance ONLY!

Then you have the fact that Judaism finds the concept of human sacrifice completely abhorrent! The idea of sacrificing someone for atonement or any other reason is clearly forbidden- right at the start God made it very clear to Abraham, when he stopped the sacrifice of Isaac, that human sacrifice is NEVER allowed and does nothing but count as murder- nothing can be achieved from it

As for the quotes from Christian scriptures- quite frankly I couldn't be bothered with them- completely meaningless to Jews.

edit: I seem to have mixed up my offerings and confused the red heifer- with the Yom Kippur bull sacrifice!

On the red heifer: It was not an atonement sacrifice at all- it merely made someone who was impure from contact with a dead body pure. That was its only purpose and all it was used for. To remove Tumas Meis from people. The mechanism as to how that works is much debated by the poskim, but no one understands this sacrifice. It is seen as the ultimate- "chok"- law without explanation, as to how the ashes of a red heifer, mixed with water, and sprinkled on someone makes them pure and the sprinkler impure.

edit: Can there be multiple translations? yes. Does that many any translation is correct? No.

Lets take the word "Dibarti"- As it reads there it mans - as he said i.e. As Melchi Zedek said.

Thus it should read as

4. The Lord swore and will not repent; you are a priest forever because of the speech of Melchizedek.

You could alter the vowelisaztion and have it read "Davarti"- "as he did"- then it would translate in Psalm 110 as

4. The Lord swore and will not repent; you are a priest forever because of the actions of Malchizedek.

However, trying to claim that it should read

The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever in the order of Melchidezek.'

Is completely wrong! If it was meant to read "order"- then it would have used the word "seder". there is no way to vowelise the root of "Davar" to get it to mean anything even approaching "order".

So, there are two possible correct translations here- both of which have Melchi-zedek doing something that thus transfers the priesthood to Abraham- and God later restricts this solely to the descendants of Aaron. On the other hand, the incorrect translation changes the entire meaning and creates a different kind of priesthood that never existed, and will never exist.

Edit: The Midrash states that Melchi Zedek was Shem, the son of Noah. "Melchi Zedek" would then become an assumed name- hinting at his role as teacher and priest to those following the laws of Bnei Noach. Mechi Zedek actually means"My King is Just". Shem realised at that time that the world was once aain descending into idol worship, that Abraham represented something special, something beyond what he had ever been. He goes to greet Abraham- and even though Abraham offers tithes to him as a representative of God- Shem's action of going to Abraham, combined with his words, transfers the EARTHLY crown of priesthood to Abraham. However, Abraham was not the same kind of priest as Shem. Where Shem only knew the 7 laws of Bnei Noach, and only taught people to be righteous within their confines- Abraham moved the priesthood into a new direction, into being something greater; what came after Abraham did not resemble what came before. Abraham wasn't a priest in the manner of Melchi Zedek- he was a new thing, far greater, but at that time the priesthood passed into the hands of the Jews alone and was removed from the rest of the world. That is why one of the Messianic prophecies is that in the time of the Mashiach the Jews will be priests to the nations- in other words, the rest of the world will recognises this fact, will recognise that the entirety of the priesthood passed to the Jews, and that they need to look to the Jews to be their priests.

Hebrews is a book of the Christian New Testament, so that was written AFTER the start of Christianity and was intended to validate Christianity as being related to Judaism. You can't really expect Jews to take this as truth.

I'm very unclear why you think that Psalm 110 has anything to do with Jesus. It seems obviously to be about David himself [EDIT: I bow to allonyoav's much greater learning]. If you would like to understand this further, take a look at http://p218.ezboard.com/Psalm-110/fcountermissiona... which acknowledges the way the Christians (mis) read this and explains the Jewish understanding, which demands a knowledge of Hebrew (the original language in which it was written).

I'm unclear what you're asking of the Red Heifer and what you're saying is contradictory. Certainly, it has zilch to do with the concept of Jesus. Jewish commentaries on the red heifer can be found here: http://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/10554...

EDIT: I'm pleased you're asking us - but please do accept that if you see Jesus in these things, that's because of the lens you're looking through. I hope you won't expect us to see the same thing in it, because we never will. You could read miles of print on the Red Heifer and much else, because Jews turn the Torah this way and that, look at it from every possible angle, and have been doing so for over 3000 years. We have examined this all so thoroughly that, while we'll continue to examine and produce new thoughts, we're never going to see it the same way as you. I have no objection to your finding your own meanings in it all - what I do mind, keenly, is when Christians try to tell us that we've misunderstood our own sacred texts because they see them differently. You've given no indication that that's what you're doing, so this isn't intended as a criticism of you, just a more general point that I want to be made clear. The notion of the messiah as some sort of red heifer sacrifice is truly abhorrent to us, and I would ask all Christians to respect our understanding, even if you don't agree with it.

1. What does the Jewish religion believe about Jesus? Jesus doesn't factor in to Judaism at all. 2. How do Jewish people view Jesus. It varies. Some don't believe he ever existed. Some say that he may have existed. He is not viewed as a prophet, holy man, the son of a deity or as a deity. 3. Do they believe in him at all? No. 4. What do they refer to him as? He is not considered a/the Savior, a saint or a prophet. I have heard him referred to as the Christian deity. A good way to look at it is this if you are Christian: How do you as a Christian view Mohammed? What does the Christian Bible say about him? Do you believe in Mohammed at all? What do you refer to Mohammed as? I assume that you would say, he's the Muslim prophet, he has nothing to do with Christianity. It's the same for us and Jesus :)

You need to get a decent translation of the Tanakh, *not* the Old Testament if you want to know what Jewish thought is on something.

It is translated completely differently when Jews do it instead of Christians.

1. Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."

"Wait for" is completely different than "Sit at". "Right hand" is salvation (used many, many places in the Tanakh) and *only* refers to HaShem.

Telling someone to wait for the salvation that is given by G-d, is *far* different from one G-d telling another god to sit next to Him in Heaven.

And the word used (I am not sure that it *is* adonai) for "my master" is the exact same one used in Genesis 23:6

5. And the sons of Heth answered Abraham, saying to him,

6. "Hearken to us, my master...

This is a discussion of what HaShem said to Abraham. He is *still* talking to Abraham in verse 4.

The Lord swore and will not repent; you are a priest forever because of the speech of Malchizedek.

It is not some order of priests called the Malchizedeks.

It is because of Malchizedek's words to Abram in Genesis 14:18-19

18. And Malchizedek the king of Salem brought out bread and wine, and he was a priest to the Most High God.

19. And he blessed him, and he said, "Blessed be Abram to the Most High God, Who possesses heaven and earth.

If there were some order of priests named after him, you would think that they would be mentioned somewhere - but those are the only two references to Malchizedek anywhere in the Tanakh.

The whole thing about Malchizedek priests versus Aarons priests just isn't supported anywhere in Jewish history, nor in the Tanakh.

How can there possibly be a new order of priesthood, since , as you clearly quoted above, G-d doesn't change His mind?

Or has His words in Exodus 29:9 somehow been invalidated?

9. And you shall gird them with sashes, Aaron and his sons, and you shall dress them with high hats, and the kehunah will be a eternal statute for them, and you shall invest Aaron and his sons with full authority.

He declared Aaron and his son's priesthood to be eternal.

Why would He then invalidate them?

The whole thing just violates the Tanakh.

If G-d didn't mean eternal when He said eternal there, or everlasting when He said His covenant with the Jews was everlasting, then He is a liar.

And why would you put your trust and faith in someone who promises Christians salvation if you believe He lied to the Jews?

I think there are two websites that in particular may be of interest to you; http://www.outreachjudaism.org/

- Rabbi Tovia Singer addresses questions from non Jews, and it is really interesting

Also http://www.messiahtruth.com/

- this is a fab site which talks about the concept of the Jewish Maschiach, there are also, at the top of the main page, links to essays on Christianity, and lots of other great links too - enjoy!

I'm not Jewish, and the answers you are really searching for cannot be found among the Jews. As most of your answers show, they have their own interpretation of both the scriptures and history.

God's covenant was with Israel along with a mixed multitude of gentiles who attached themselves to Israel when they left Egypt. The Jews are only one tribe, 1/12 of Israel and yet they claim the whole pack is Jewish. This is simply not true, there are still 10 other tribes that are seemingly missing from the historical record with whom God also has this covenant which HE has not forgotten (Amos 9:9).

http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/lcg/studytopics/lcg-st....

http://www.gnmagazine.org/booklets/JC/

Edit: You misunderstand, Israel is the Nation, Judah is a tribe of that nation. Just like all Pennsylvanians are Americans but not all Americans are Pennsylvanians. There were actually 13 tribes that made up Israel, the Jews claim that the whole conglomeration was Jews and the covenant was made with Jews and this is simply not true. Read your Bible. The word "Jew" does not appear until the books of Kings and at that time they are at war with Israel.

Why don't you just enjoy your own religion and stop trying to tell us what you think your own unique testament (NT) and your faulty translation and re-write of our bible (your OT) should mean to us!

I am not a jew , but I first had a encounter with the God of moses , and not with Christ . (but the way that happened was that someone led me to christ even though I forgot about it , by one prayer , in a school jim , when ask if I would go to heaven I said no and did a prayer with me and told me that Jesus helped me get to God , I had no ideal who Jesus was but prayed with the guy and forgot about it .

Then a year latter this is what happend .

I must have been 14 or 15 years old and I sensed something going on in my life . Its seemed something was blessing me . Life was going too good , much better than normal . It was as if someone was manipulating things in my life to bless me .

Things were going too good . So me being a perceptive person and suspicious knew that something was going on . I perceived it as God working an moving in my life . I even felt , a warm presents at times that felt like love and peace when It was with me .

I wanted to believe that this was God , but a powerful thought kept coming up in my mind saying “that the mind is a powerful thing , you are just wanting this to be so , so you are making it up in your mind “.

This seem like sound reasoning , but yet I sensed that this was real , but could not really prove it , so the thought prevailed , but I would wrestle with this thought many nights as I tried to sleep , because I knew that something was their ,yet I could not prove it , yet could not dismiss it either Finally after a few weeks of wrestling about this , I was sitting on my bed thinking about this and a thought like telepathy came into my head and said , if you let me , I will prove to you that I am real .

I perceived this as God , and then in fear thought on whether or not I would allow God to prove to me that he was real or not . I knew nothing about God other than I had seen the move the 10 commandants . And I had no ideal what He would do if I said yes .

Finally after debating back and forth and being quite afraid, sensing that something would happen if I said yes , I finally got up enough courage and said yes , because I had to know for sure . As soon as I said yes to God , my body fell to the floor with my face pointing down to the floor , on its own accord , its like my body just went limp and I fell to the floor with me not having a choice one way or another .

Then I felt a very , very strong presents or entity descend in the room and I knew that I was not allowed to look up at this entity .

The entity did not speak , but somehow I knew I was not permitted to look up at God . But I could feel this presence in the room , with me , and I have been to church and even at home and felt the presents of God , but this was different than that , this was more than Gods spirit presents , this was the actual presents of God , like what was in the Holies , of Holies that the children of Israel Had in their camp , when God lived with them . It was the same God that Moses was not allowed to look upon .

Then after that , God lead me to know that , Christ was indeed his Son and I seen Christ in a vision many years later .

And this same Christ healed me in one second after praying to Him about a simple head ache and exhaustion .

And had done hundreds of other things .

i believe my self and my god i don't want to heart my self my god also do not aloud me to heart my self. my god want me to learn something good and share it with other for a better life for country,people,animal also neighbor's to to protect other people and my belongs.because after i die my god will make an oder to angle to count every ting i do before i die. in this situation god will defend on my good ting i do to send me to Haven if not angle will put in hell forever.like we at school wen we do something wrong our teacher will coll our parent and tell them what we do at school and then our parent get angry and do something we don't want to happen.i believe allah.

wow thats long.

seriously, get a life