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judomofo asked in SportsMartial Arts · 1 decade ago

Mixed Martial Arts Questions for real Martial Artists.?

Just to get an idea of how everyone would approach things... and illuminate the community.

1. Street setting: You are placed in a rear naked choke/Mata Leao/Hadaka Jime ( http://griffonrawl-ohio.com/pictures/rearchoke.jpg... on the ground, front side up like the picture, hooks in. How would you go about escaping this position, what would you think the key is?

2. What takedown/throw/etc would you use to take down a shorter, heavier opponent? Why would you use this technique against this body type?

3. When holding the focus mitts for a partner what are some of the keys you must do.. i.e. position of the mitts, etc.

4. How would you protect yourself when being thrown to a rear corner direction? What is your body position, points of contact, etc?

5. What techniques by name (if in another language short english name or description) in your art, would you not use against someone much stronger than you and why?

6. Where is the "floating rib" why is it called that? What does this information have to do with Martial Arts?

7. What does it feel like to be "stunned" or "rocked"?

8. What kind of injury does a sharp, burning, type of pain signify in the context of Martial Arts.. (so fire/heat/lasers not applicable, unless Chi generated).

9. Who is your Martial Arts hero?

10. What is worst habit in terms of Martial Arts.. (ex. stepping to shallow on a certain throw, always dropping your hands during a kick, etc.)

I greatly appreciate and look forward to all of your answers.

Update:

Rear corner as is backwards towards your left or right.. or even backwards if it suffices... basically how to fall to the rear..

Thanks J.L.!

Update 2:

Thanks eoh..

That last question is supposed to be, what is YOUR worst habit.. just to clarify for anyone..

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  • Lycann
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago
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    1. Since it's a street setting, assuming I've someone ended up alone and I'm attacked my a lone mugger:

    The link didn't work but from the sounds of it my first instinct would be to turn my head/neck to face the attacker's inner elbow of the choking arm; at the same time I would begin stripping the had from the choking arm to break his key-lock (no compunctions about finger locks in a street setting). If he's made the mistake of locking his feet with his leg hooks I'd maybe consider attempting an ankle lock on him by bringing my own leg over his crossed feet and then figure four locking my legs to apply the pressure. I wouldn't necessarily attempt this unless the guy's RNC was horrible; my breathing is more important to me. Once I've escaped the choke I'd apply some elbows and turn into his guard, hopefully passing it and taking a full mount. If I can take my feet I'd do that rather than stay on the ground. Liberal amount of kicking and then I'm breaking for the nearest group of people to deter a further fight.

    2. Being tall I've had to work with shorter guys since day one. Shoulder throws are out but standing leg sweeps and hip throws have a higher percentage in this situation (from my experience). Their lower center of gravity makes shoulder throws much more difficult; attacking below their center of gravity with a sweep (controlling their upper body with your own grip) has a far greater chance of success. The "heavier" part of the equation makes me question whether I'd try a sacrifice throw; the center of gravity issue is negated but I wouldn't want a short but heavy opponent coming down on top of me if the throw didn't work out as I planned.

    3. Consider the angle and height of the target presented for the strike being worked on. Keep the target far enough from your self that a strike slipping from the target won't land in your face (or anywhere else on your person depending on the strike and drill). If you're just moving around don't repeat a pattern for your partner to get used to. Move around in all directions to help train your partner's chase and retreat while striking.

    4. From the sounds of it I would land in a side break fall. Ideally you'd be hitting the ground on your side [not controlled by the throw] slapping your arm/hand down at a 45 degree angle from your body and your leg out at a similar angle. Always keep your chin tucked to your chest to protect your head from hitting the ground. Exhale on impact with the ground. The leg on the side controlled by the throw should be bent with the foot on the ground and the knee in the air; don't let it fly across your body or you risk rupturing something you'd probably rather not have ruptured.

    5. Arm bar from guard is the first thing that comes to mind. I tried that once against a guy at my school who bench presses 400 and he stopped it like it was nothing. I really do try anything when grappling regardless of how strong my opponent is, I just have to think a little more about how to set up for the technique.

    6. Your floating ribs are generally the lower two pairs of ribs. They attach the the vertibrae but not the sternum. They are relatively easy to fracture and dislocate. Depending on the injury you could puncture either lung or even the liver if attacking the right side.

    7. I've only been stunned a couple times but when I have been my eyes dart around not focusing on any one thing in particular. I hear my pulse in my ears and most other sounds are muted. My perception of time got a little sketched out one time.

    8. For me the only time I experience that that kind of injury is when I do something that manages to aggrevate my hernia.

    9. It's too hard to pick any one

    10. If you're talking in general I think the worst habit is looking to solve everything with Martial Arts. If you're asking about while in class or in competition then it varies from person to person. I personally have a tendancy to forget to use my reach and let my opponent get in closer than I should.

    This took forever to write, I hope there are some good answers for me to read myself.

  • 1 decade ago

    Ha, I amy be able to answer this one. The last on I came across it wouldn't let me answer it.

    1. I do not see a picture so I am going to guess it is locked in. I am going to get my chin under his elbow and turn towards the choke and turn to the side. Straighten a leg out and remove a hook. turn back towards face up and switch my hips over and wind up on top.

    2. I am the shortest person in the gym so all I can do is guess really. I would use the only take down I am actually good at and that is the single leg sweep. edit: I am not the shortest person but the people shorter than me are a lot lighter. So I really do not know. I should ask though

    3. Now I no I could be very wrong on this. What I do is throw the same punch as the person I am holding for but I don't try to match it with power more of a way to bounce it back. I do not know how to say that.

    4.Oh man, I have a hard time remember what little judo I got to learn. I think this one is the ukime to the side of your body with the the arm landing first.

    5. well piss them off comes to mind. omaplata. they normally just pick me up stack me bad and pass. can opener, doesn't work on people my size.

    6. the floating rib is the bottom rib that only connects to the other ribs and does not go back to the sternum. It breaks easier and if broken badly it can puncture organs

    7. When I catch a good punch I goes black for a second, my ears ring and my legs are wobbly. I really don't feel the wobbly until the blackness goes away and I try to step.

    8. glactic acid?

    9. My first TKD instructor. John Hardmann

    10. My worst habit is cutting the same way all of the time and dropping my had while doing it. For some reason I can't get it right. I keep eating left hooks over and over but for some reason I still do it. Any tips on this would be greatly appecieated. What I do is when I fight south paw I cut out to the front at a 45* angle and drop my right hand and sure enough there is a left hook just waiting for me.

    Edit: I missed the part on #1 that said what is the key. It is to get and keep there arms or hands seperated. I feel qualified to say this because we went over rear naked choke defense tonight, guess I got lucky

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    1. Tap out. If that doesn't work, then I pray.

    2. Um well, my best technique involves applying some forward force so he subconciously responds likewise, and then twist my body to one side so it's perpendicular to his and yank to the direction he was pushing. That's as best as i can describe. I'd use it on anyone regardless, because the body type doesn't really much difference. Atleats not that I'm aware of.

    3. Well, I know that the partner puching or striking should strike the same side. Like, if he is striking with his right hand then it should be to your right mitt. I also know that you should move the mitt slightly in to his strike, to provide more resistance or something like that.

    4. Well that depends on the throw. If i were being pushed then I'd pretty much try and use the technique I described in number 2.

    5. Can't think of one. The martial art i practiced is designed against a stronger opponent.

    6. Just looked it up, now. It's located right at the bottom of your ribs on the front, that are easiest to injure. Apparently if you break it (perhaps with a roundhouse kick?) then it can puncture vital organs and would have to go into surgery. There's no way to condition them apart from strengthening the muscles around the region.

    7. Almost like being winded. (punch to the chest. Don't know about a punch to the head, yet)

    8. Don't know but I'm guessing a torn muscle?

    9. Don't have one really.

    10. I hesitate way too much. It's a part of my personality really.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    If I do not run out of time will answer all.

    1. The page is said not to be found but will answer as I can. First is that my chin would have been tucked and the arm would not be under it. If it is then grab arm to protect airway as much as possible. Second angle myself across opponent so one shoulder or the other heads to the ground. This will help "pop" the hold and allow me to "shrimp" to my side. After that as permits.

    2. I like a quick jab and then a step behind take down. Also let him drift in and using his weight take him straight into my gaurd on the way down, sweep, choke.

    3. Depends on the drill. But basics are hands out in front enough that when hit they do not come in enough to hit YOU. Also never drift off. Treat it as real as things happen and you do not truly want to get hit.

    4. I m unsure what you mean by "rear corner".

    5. There is no technique I would not use. My strategy would change over all. I would not try and out mscle such a person but move to my strengths and not engage in a pushing match.

    6. You have floating ribs at the bottom of each side of your rib cage. Which means they are only connected on one side. For this reason they are much esier to break and damage.

    7. I f you have not felt this it is hard to describe. You are hit hard enough that in your core you know it. It is an "oh crap" that can't happen again sort of thing.

    8. The only injury I have had that fits all of these is the tearing of muscle. And you forgot it also stabs.

    9. Kyoshi Dave Arnold.

    10. Technique with no power or intensity. The move does not matter.

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  • 1 decade ago

    1) Control the choking hand, ball up, try to work your knees in between his legs to get out of the hooks. Punch/strike/gouge the face to distract while escaping. The mechanics of the hold must be broken. I've drilled this hold with the guy on top throwing elbows like mad into the ribs, and he's still had to tap before the pain forced me to release the hold.

    Edit: forgot to add: Tuck the chin! Duh!

    2) Tough call. Probably a snap down or a foot sweep. Judo's "loin wheel" or whatever might be good, but I'm not good at it. Bottom line, try something where getting under his hips isn't as big an issue. Shorter legs also make it hard for them to counter sweeps by stepping over your foot.

    3) Keep the pads in realistic relation to the targets (if you're training for body shots, for example, don't place the pad below hip height), use footwork and shots from the pads to provide realistic feedback to the "student". Try to make the training as realistic as possible, in other words.

    4) Um... tuck the chin and breakfall, I guess.

    5) Generally, wrist locks or other bent-arm locks. Although these would realistically be set up with strikes, I find that they're generally easier to power out of than other holds/locks.

    6) Bottom half of the rib cage. It (or rather they) are not connected to the sternum, as opposed to the other (upper) ribs. This makes them more susceptable to a break than those that are attatched to the sternum.

    7) I think it's a little different, but my experience is that a sharp pain, like an ice cream headache, plus a flash of light followed by the realization that I'm suddenly looking somewhere I wasn't looking a second ago.

    8) Rash? Probably a sprain. Or Chi-generated lasers.

    9) Toss-up: Mark Hatmaker, Bruce Lee, Geoff Thompson

    10) For me, it's not enough commitment on throws/takedowns.

  • D D
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    1. The key is getting your hips out, I couldn't see the picture put I'm imagining a standard BJJ chocke from the back. Primarily you must defend the actual choke.

    2. Bear hug take down and single leg are good for oppenents of any size. Some throws are harder vs short stocky oppenent because you have to get your hips lower than their's-although in theory it can still be done.

    3. Keep the mitts tight, push in slightly when your partner hit them, don't move them (unless thats the drill) if your partner misses because of you they can hurt themselves. Observe your partner for their notes and yours.

    4. This is different lingo and a demo would help but i suppose it would be a back or side breakfall. Tuck your chin-I'll stop there because its thats most important there are other elements and its about spreading the surface area of the impact.

    5. I have a friend that at 260 (but pound/pound the strongest man i know) and I'm 175 I can't lock him out very easily with anything. He can hold an armlock with his strength and laugh. Chockes however can't be blocked with strength once they're on. I could lock him out, but I would move to a choke before staining that hard.

    6. The floating rib is the bottom rib on each side, its not attached in the same way as the others. The ribs protect many vital organs, perhaps most importantly the kidneys. Attack the floating rib

    7. I've actully been punched to the point where I heard a bell ring. Ive been choked to the point where I felt like I was in convelsions but I wasn't.

    8. Muslcle tears feel like seering pain, so do broken bones but they pop when they break.

    9. Mr. Lee, still knows more about fighting than anyone Ive ever seen, how do I know.....because they make mistakes that I know better from just reading his books.

    10a. Thank for saying dropping you hands when you kick, nobody I know believes me......I'll add stepping into the kick before you throw it and practicing techniques with resistance when you are learning them.....thats what sparring is for....whereas most use sparring to beat the other guy and earn pride points

    10b my worst habit is taking to much to the counter side of fighting, gotta remember to lead sometimes

  • 1 decade ago

    I was trained to prevent anyone from getting that close. Instinct makes you do the most amazing things.

    1 - Against RNC - LI 10 aka Shou San Li - I really don't know what I would do because the art does it, not me. But it would begin with this.

    2 - Toe kick driving upward right to the center of the "teardrop" muscle - vastus medialis. It collapses the leg and makes the attacker fall straight down.

    3 - Mitts would have to be held at an angle that makes them feel anatomically correct. Also held close to the body.

    4 - ? - what kind of a throw? Like an Ippon Seonage or such? If I am being pushed, I tend to continue going in the same direction as I am falling. It broadens the gap and gives me an opportunity to check my bearings. If there is a wall or other obstruction, I tend to bounce my energy back forward at an angle.

    5 - I am not subject to thinking about what I am going to do, so this question - all parts - are kind of difficult. I can never say what I would do pre-meditatively. I guess I would know if it did not phase the attacker.

    6 - Floating ribs are great shots but dangerous as you can puncture a lung. I think I said too much.

    7 - I feel it in my sinuses. Depending on where you get hit, you could feel cold and this weird feeling like numbness, you lose your bearings too.

    8 - A muscle pull.. that also sounds like skin breaking. A puncture, or hyper-extending.

    9 - Hokama Sensei.

    10 - Everything I do - I totally suck!

  • 1 decade ago

    10. inconsistent training may be my worst habit, but i work full time and i have a very young son

    9. fedor, nog, crocop (before his decline). ernesto hoost, michal mcdonald and badr hari from k-1.

    8. i am not familiar with that sensation.

    7. besides the pain, feeling disoriented and and wobbly legs come with being rocked. at least that is how i felt 3 years ago when i was caught with a right cross.

    6. the floating ribs/rib is at the bottom of your rib cage, and is very vulnerable to strikes(extremely painful)

    5. fighting in the street-- striking sensitive areas ie. -throat,eyes,groin is Absolutely necessary. in the ring i would stick to what i know best and that is striking.

    4. if i were to fall on my back i would prepare to kick at the legs of my opponent however i would be ready to pull guard also.

    3. i have never held focus mitts before. i have always been the guy striking at them.

    2. i am a tall guy and i am also predominantly a striker so taking someone down is not my specialty: however as a bouncer i have frequently used a body-lock followed by a trip take-down(or leg sweep).

    1. there are many options from this position ie. poking the eyes, grabbing the tendon behind his knee, if you can reach his ear (pull it off) not much pressure is need, pull hair ect.... but you have to work quick if he has the choke sunk in.

  • 1 decade ago

    I'll give you what I can here.

    1. I do train holds and take downs, but not from the ground, so I guess I'd improvise in a situation like that. Chin down would be the first thing. There's a nice nerve bundle just up the forearm from the inside of the elbow I would crank the hell out of. horse bites or groin grabs would be used as well. I don't cage fight. You don't want dirty crap done to you don't put me in that position. lol

    2. One of my favorites. Hands to the shoulders, my inside foot behind their foot. sweep foot out from under them while removing their balance with my hands. Maybe add a twist. end up in samurai stance next to them.

    3. Treat it serious. Pay attention to what they are doing. Make sure the arm that is held out isn't getting hit against the way the elbow bends.

    4. I assume you mean being throw ont your back. I could either back shoulder roll or break fall. I am comfortable with doing both.

    5. At 320 i don't run into that... ever, but i find that when im face down in a lock of some sort... elbow/wrist..... with a knee in my back, my size means nothing.

    6. Bottom one. only connects on one side. easy fragile target.

    7. Like a dense haze covers your senses.

    8. In my experience most recently an inflamed tendon. Sharp when i torque on it. burning when at rest.

    9. Don't have one.

    10. Using my strength instead of pure technique. wether it's on purpose or not.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    1. You never want to be on the ground in that situation. Ground is last resort. I would fight dirty if i were on the ground lol. Distracting your opponent to get away from that stuff is key, hurting him in a focused spot does that really well.

    2. I would avoid takedowns against a shorter opponent and stay further away to attack him. Keep him from reaching me while picking him apart from a distance. It's safer to stand up and fight that be on the ground.

    3. Keep them in different positions, move them. The opponent wouldn't stay in one place and neither would the mitts.

    4. Hands close in, head close to your chest, and shoulders wrapped near your body. Once you hit the ground use y our forearms to stop rolling and get a distance before fighting again.

    5. Take downs for me aren't a great idea for stronger opponents, they are usually better grounded and have the balance lower. Harder to take them down and easier for him to take you down.

    6. Floating ribs are the ribs that are lowest on the rib cage. They are separate from the rest and are much easier to break.

    7. It depends on the area, the head it's like a rush feeling and a little dizzy. The solar plexus (in my opinion are worse) take all the breath out of you in an instant and you want to tighten all the muscles in your abdomen but you feel like you can't. Solar plexus is a mean spot.

    8. Pressure points can feel sharp. Burning.. long finger nails haha. Or burns from rolling around and that stuff. It doesn't hurt in that description to get hit in the solar plexus or head.. Well a nose swap like Rich Franklin got that one time hurts a bit.

    9. My teachers. One of them being Shihan Miyuki Miura. Another guy i like just for UFC and that stuff is Rich Franklin.

    10. Dropping you hands. Not pulling back (leaving your punches or kicks out there instead of bringing them back in quickly). My personal worst habit is moving backwards too much, i need to work on moving at angles a bit more. I'd learn that fast if i got into a fight that wasn't in an open area.

    Yea some good questions.

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