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OOOOOO , i got JJ (lots of questions dont bother answering if u suck?)!?

1. Would you rather have AKs or JJ 200 effective HU?

2. Its 100/200 6 handed cash. You are 150bb deep (30k) on the CO. Button covers. You raise to 600, button calls, blinds fold. Button is pretty aggressive, calls alot pf /w position.

Flop (1500)- Flop is 8c7c5h. You bet 1200 and he just calls. When this flop comes, its an autobet of course. Probaly a fold if raised. However, what is your plan when villian just calls? What are the factors you are considering?

Turn (3900)- Qh

What line are u taking here?

BTW, what happened to all the regulars?? I feel so sad. The gambling sections has TOTALLY changed from 1-2 yrs ago. The only constant that seems to remain is ZCT .

Update:

Sorry for the confusion.

In the second part of the quesion, you do indeed have JJ.

I agree JJ is better 200 bb deep.

However, my reasons are entirely diffrent than yours.

"With AK, I'm not getting action after a flop that connects with my cards"

People can be dealt KJ, KQ, AQ, AJ. You are getting action from those...

"Meanwhile with JJ I'm so much less likely to be against even two overcards, let alone an overpair"

Dont get your point

anyways, I prefer JJ b/c of set value

Update 2:

ONCE AGAIN, i CLARIFY

IN BOTH SPOTS, YOU HAVE JJ

Update 3:

@123

The first question and the second question arent related at all.

NO ******* ****, if he had AK, I would bet to protect/value. The problem is his range is much much wider than AK in the second hand.

Update 4:

****Ok, my last response to the first part of the question.

I realize my info was wayyyy too little and there is really no way you can really give a good answer.

I also agree that JJ isnt as playable postflop esp if OOP. However, AK has little implied odds and when the 200 bb goes in you are like never ahead.

******** The second question should be really easy to answer (the turn action). The Q didnt change villian's range at all and all the draws dropped dramtically in equity.

anwyays, its the river that usually stumps me. This hand unfortuantly wasnt the best example of where i run into my problems, but anyways: The pot has now reached a decent amount. Obviosly, if its a complete bank (2o) a v-bet is EV+.

However, many times an A, K, 6, 9, 4, and 8 hit.

When these cards come, do you b/f ? C/f? C/c?

The last thing I would like to say is if anyone would be interested and be willing to put in the time to respond if I post some more hands? (2+ people at least)

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  • 1 decade ago
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    well, first i have to address what happened to this section...um, no one asked any questions any more! that's pretty much the bottom line

    now, to answer your questions:

    1. with stacks that deep and especially heads-up, i take the A-K every single time...because you are playing so deep, you are more likely to get in trouble with the J-J since it's a more difficult hand to play post-flop and you have to assume that you are going to be playing mostly post-flop poker under the circumstances

    2. once he calls on the flop, you have a pretty easy read, you know that he doesn't have a hand like a set because he certainly would have raised, so he either has a made straight or much more likely a draw of some sort...therefore, when the Qh comes off on the turn i would fire out, and you probably have a fire a sizeable shell, maybe the size of the pot, given the read of the situation...unless he happened to have clubs with the queen in his hand or flopped a made straight then there's pretty much no way for him to have us beat

    edit: i think if any of those cards hits the river i would check, but what happens afterward is different...if a non-club ace or king comes off, i would at least have to consider a call, since there is still some chance that he is bluffing you with a busted draw, but then again considering our strong line in the hand he may not bet even if he paired one of those...if any of the straight cards comes off i think it becomes very difficult to call, it's hard to imagine him betting any hand with showdown value here so it becomes a total nuts or nothing judgment...and obviously, any club should probably lead to a fold also

    and i think you know that i would love to answer some more questions about hands considering i just complained about it earlier

  • 1 decade ago

    1. question.

    According to WPT analysis, AK is the hand that wins most showdown. That's why you see people play very aggressively with their AK because AK is only bad against AA, KK. Anything else is just a coin flip. JJ has to face AA,KK,QQ,AK,AQ,KQ, basically a lot more hands can crack JJ.

    Of course JJ is the better hand, but personally I prefer AK because it's easier to play. If you do not connect after the flop, it's an easy fold. But with big pair like JJ, it's more difficult to play.

    2. question.

    8c7c5h it's a very dangerous flop. Button call's your raise is a very disturbing move. When an aggressive player slow plays, it's a dangerous signal. Unless you think he has absolutely nothing and plan to make a big bluff on the river to steal the pot, you should not continue to bet. If you do not have an hand that can call an all-in then you should check and let your opponent makes a bluff then call.

  • Scout
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    I think there is no right way to bet with Jacks. I like having a good pair, and I like a decent raise with Jacks, something that will keep limpers out.

    With jacks, I feel you really know where you stand. Against an aggressive person, they could have anything, so I would worry about any flush/straight.

    Questions that I look at to help me decide on what to do.

    1) What type of player does he think I am?

    2) What is his stack like. If he has a huge stack, he will stick in for the long run.

    3) What does he do when he has the nuts. Does he fold when pressured?

    So to your answers, I would rather have Ace King, easier for me to get out of the hand if nothing hits. With Jacks, I can be up against a set, and with all low cards, i am done. Or in this case if this guy calls me on a flush draw and hits his card on the river.

    If the guy calls, I would put him on a flush draw or a possible straight. I wouldn't put him on a queen, so when the quen hits, I bet at least half the pot.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Well if I bet with the JJ and he called with AK, then I am obviously concerned with the flush or straight draw, especially since you said he calls a lot preflop (which means he could have some cards to give him a straight.) Bottom line is, once you see the turn and see what he does you will probly have a better idea. But, there are so many possibilities it's almost a waste of time trying to put him on a hand.

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  • 1 decade ago

    1. Give me JJ heads up! With AK, I'm not getting action after a flop that connects with my cards. Meanwhile with JJ I'm so much less likely to be against even two overcards, let alone an overpair. After the flop, if the opponent is still chasing, he's probably chasing bad and doesn't even know it.

    To clarify:

    -Not much action after flop with AK: When the board connects with my hand, it'll scare opponents. Boards only occassionally connect with both players... it's true I'll get some action on hands that pair both me and my opponent, but even then they'll be on the scared side with a weak kicker. Also, AK duels with dominated hands like KJ, KQ, AQ, AJ far more often at a full table, even though it *might* happen heads up too. More often than not, if the board hits me, my opponent is thoroughly beat and he knows it.

    -JJ situation. I meant to say that I'm "less likely to be against an overpair or two overcards THAN I WOULD BE AT A FULL TABLE." JJ doesn't run into nearly as much trouble heads up as it does against a field of opponents. And its strength is much more concealed than an AK that improves, so my heads up opponent is very much in the dark. Also, though it has set value, that's *more* of a consideration at a full table than heads up. At a full table, you're much more likely to need improvement with a JJ, but heads up it wins so many more big pots without any improvement at all... but, yeah, if you make a set you've got him crushed, and with the very deep stacks, the implied odds add a lot of extra value to this scenario.

    2. With the JJ on drawish flop, then Q on turn: there are so many draw possibilities, you're probably going to bet on the turn here. His call on the flop can be justified by lots of hands that you're still beating, and meanwhile you're not going to be happy if you give him a free or cheap peak at the river. As an aggressive player, he can bet the river hard if it helps him *or* if it misses him but is still scary. You're not going to know where you stand. Get him out now if you can. If you give him bad odds to draw, and he calls anyway, then you might call his river bet as a bluff catcher, and it just might be good.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    1. I'll take either hand. With 200bb's, you are pretty deep and both hands are fairly strong. Both have their pros and cons but at 200bb's deep, you shouldn't go broke with either.

    2. His range of hands is pretty wide given that it is a deep stacked 6max table. Your bet on the flop is fine. If he calls, I would probably put him on a medium pocket pair (99 or 66), a flush draw, straight draw, a connector like 89 or maybe a set, although he would probably raise with a set given your aggression in the hand and the possible flush draw out there. When the Qh comes on the turn, it is a safe card for our hand (unless he has QcXc) so you should keep the lead and bet something like 2300 (a little more than half the pot).

  • 1 decade ago

    1. JJ heads up

    2. The biggest factor I'm considering is what cards do I have? JJ? AKs? something else?

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