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Do you think it's possible to be a member of a religion, and also speak out against it?
What would you call the type of person who would do this? (I'm not looking to name call, or berate, just wondering - are they still a "member" of that religion, or are they something else?)
"Speak out" - more than just disagree, to be critical of.
@Aurora: Specifically within the chosen religion. Not generalized to all of Christianity. But let's say you're Southern Baptist and you are speaking out against the Southern Baptist belief of the Rapture, or the Trinity - something pivotial to that religion. Would you still be considered a Southern Baptist? If not, what would you be called? Especially if you continued to attend that church?
Hi Glade, How do you know what I'm doing? I'm trying to be general with my question, so as not to influence any response. And I'm trying not to judge, although in the case I am thinking of there is much evidence.
Not looking to call someone out. Just curious for my own internal dialogue, what are they? Can someone who is critical of a religion they are a member of, a religion that they still attend, still consider themselves a member? Can they legitimately be considered by other members of that church a member, and not just "technically" a member? At some point a line is crossed, whether it be by their own perception, or by the perception of others (not necessarily a formal church thing). At some point a person ceases, in their hearts, to be a member of their chosen church - even if they continue to retain membership and attend meetings.
Some LDS use phrases like (and I REALLY, REALLY hate this phrase), Jack Mormon, or as suggested by some here, apostate.
I'm just wondering what people call this type of person. I personally am hesitant to give up hope - which for me, calling them an apostate, means that I have given up hope for them ever returning. My intent is not to shun, but to...
...but to perhaps give them some space, so they can come to a decision one way or the other.
Gumby, I agree, this question does seem to be devisive. That was not my intent. I just wanted opinions, LDS and not LDS. And I agree that questioning can be a good thing. It's the way the questions I'm thinking of are asked that I find disturbing. Asked with a clear motive of not wanting an answer.
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- Next UpLv 41 decade agoFavorite Answer
I'd call that individual "struggling"...
There are clearly things he/she does agree with... as well as things he/she clearly does not agree with.
Either the disagreement is only one thing compared to many things where there is agreement, or the individual hasn't found another church that works better.
I wouldn't use the term jack-- because to me, that means they're.. I don't know, but what you describe seems to not quite fit my perception of a jack-(insert name of church here).
- gumbyLv 71 decade ago
I guess it just depends on what you mean by "speak out". I've disagreed with certain things leaders in our church have said and I've been vocal about that at times. But I've never disagreed with doctrine.
EDIT: Well, obviously people speak out and are still members. I don't bother giving them more labels. Usually we don't know the whole story.
ALISSA...not everything an LDS church leader says is doctrine. I once heard a bishop tell his congregation that if they doubled their fast offering, their income would double. Now, while increasing fast offering is clearly a good thing, what he said is not doctrine and is definitely not true. The only way you consider everything that comes out of a leader's mouth doctrine is if that leader is infallible.
Here's the issue with this question, and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. This question and the answers it's getting seems to be creating a divide. At one point or another, we've all had something we've struggled to gain a testimony on. Just because we didn't post a question about it on the internet doesn't mean we didn't struggle with something. I say we worry about ourselves and let other's be. Perhaps things are being said, or questions are being posed merely to help gain an understanding. Maybe that's not the case, but I vote for giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Source(s): LDS (Mormon)/Christian - Anonymous1 decade ago
It's all subjective.
To "true believers" steeped in dogma, that person might be considered a heretic. People got burned for that. Now, they might just be excommunicated.
Out of such criticism, however, has come new religions.
Protestantism is obvious, but even more obvious is Christianity, itself. Its founders were Jewish. They attributed to Jesus preaching such change, including his challenging the Sanhedrin and the priesthood.
Ironically, most of the real "reforms" preached by Jesus were later incorporated into Judaism (such as abolition of the priesthood) while the Roman Catholic Church adopted some of the worst of what he tried to reform.
To most Jews at the time of Jesus, he would have seemed a heretic. Those who called him Messiah were surely seen as heretics.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
No. But i know it is possible. I am a living example, i am a nazarene (christian) and i'll cite few examples.
1.Many christians say "Jesus Christ" this combination speaks volumes.If you believe that Jesus is the son of God, then you are saying that God's last name is Christ. That would mean that God has a father and mother.
2. Why would you call your savior by a nickname ( JESUS). Jesus does not mean a thing. But "YESHUA" means saviour. Yeshua ben/bar Yosef Ha Mashiah, that is Yeshua son of Yosef the messiah.
3. Genisis 1:1 in hebrew > In the beginning the "Gods" (Elohim) created the skies and the land.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I don't get what the issue is about this. There are so many denominations in Christianity that don't see everything the same. So those folks are speaking out about the others. And then within each denomination there are issues that individuals don't 100% agree with other individuals.
Of course its possible, it happens all the time.
For instance, people commonly associate being anti-gay with being Christian. But that's typically the conservative Christians. I don't fall into that group and speak out in advocacy for their rights and against what I believe is misinterpretation from my conservative brothers and sisters.
Yes, we are all still members of the same overall religion. The common theme for Christians is that we all still believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Each religion on the earth experiences differences within their memberships.
- 1 decade ago
I like to think that because of God's grace I've been enlightened(someone else might have a different name for me but I could care less). You see I'm presently & for over 50 years I have been a member of the United Methodist church.
In that time I have been a lay leader(second to the pastor in my church), a S.S. teacher(for the last 31 years) & many other positions of responsibility.
And while I love my God & my church I have told my pastor & others in authority that we have "drifted far from the teachings of our founder John Wesley to the point there we ONLY preach-teach a watered- down social gospel".
I've read many different answers here(some calling me "hypocritical") & I could care less about them as I only choose to follow Christ as He leads.
Friends do you really "know" Christ as your Savior or do you just "know OF Him",
IF YOU DON'T KNOW CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR REPENT & BELIEVE IN HIM FOR SALVATION AS HE'S SOON COMING BACK!!!
- slackjaw79Lv 41 decade ago
They're usually called heretics and are excommunicated. H. David Palmer is a good example for the Mormons. He considered himself to be a believer, but wrote a book on LDS history that went against the orthodox teachings. He was disfellowshipped for heresy.
- solariusLv 71 decade ago
Works for me. I usually call such people "reformers". I belong to a certain denomination, but have no trouble speaking out publicly when either my denomination or Christianity in general does things that are stupid and/or dangerous. Some people erroneously think that there are only two options: stay in or get out. But there's a third (and in my opinion, more courageous) option of promoting reform and change from within.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Absolutely. Crisis occurs within the religious community constantly. People who do not speak against evil in the Church are doing a disservice to their faith and to their Church family.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I think questioning is important personally. I wouldn't call them anything other than a member with a brain, who uses it.
I don't think that Jack Mormon phrase is for people that question...I've heard it used for people who are born into the faith but either don't follow it, or 'half way' follow it..most commonly mormons that drink alcohol...