Quote By David Ben Gurion, The First Prime Minister Of Israel?

Maybe this Bin Gurrione was an antisemite, son!

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Thank God that George Bush creep is gone.

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David Ben Gurion Quotes

He also said “In Israel, in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles” As someone who is pro-Israel I perfectly understand why the Palestinians hate us, (less so for the Arab world). The question then becomes how can you get them to accept Israel? The answer is you have to give them something that they value greater than war with Israel. An example would be the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty. It will take a lot of time, a few miracles, and likely more bloodshed along the way, but I believe it can happen.

The Palestinian media likes to fabricate quotes by Israeli leaders. It's debunked here.

Exposing False Zionist Quotes

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issu...

Exposing False Zionist Quotes II

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issu...

We don't need to fabricate quotes. :-)

So far as I can tell the quote is genuine, taken from a conversation with Nahum Goldmann in "The Jewish Paradox : A personal memoir" (translated, presumably from Hebrew).

Ben Gurion was apparently disagreeing with Goldmann's optimism about Israel's prospects for peace. Evidently he had a pretty clear perception of the Arab perspective, and was arguing it to Goldmann as his reason not to be optimistic.

I think he got it right. God's alleged promises to the Jews does not entitle them to ownership of the land they say he promised. The history of Jewish nationhood two thousand years ago does not entitle them to current ownership. Jewish suffering during the Holocaust also does not entitle them to compensation out of Arab possessions.

The ultimate justification for the existence of Israel derives from modern secular history:

1. The Jews, motivated by religion, history, and concern for their physical safety as a minority, sought to establish a safe haven and homeland in their ancient territory by buying land in Palestine and settling there legally, under the British Mandate and the Balfour Declaration.

2. The Arabs, motivated by age old religious hatred of Jews, desire to dominate the land they lived in, resentment of Jewish land purchases, resentment of the British, and growing exclusion from Jewish enterprises (triggered by Arab hostility), opposed the Jews violently. The Arabs started the violence as early as 1920; eventually, the Jews started to defend themselves.

3. The UN voted to partition the land. The Jews agreed, but the Arabs launched a war of annihilation against them. The Arabs lost the war, and a lot of land that was used to wage it.

Israel's existence rests on the right of its inhabitants to self defense against the Arabs who tried to kill them for reasons that did not justify killing.

And that's what Ben Gurion meant when he said, "Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out." He understood very well this aspect of the Arab perspective, too.

He was able to empathize with his enemy's grievances even as he mounted a strong defense against their attempts to murder his people. Very impressive.

Kevin and the others are onto something. How interesting that these alleged words were NEVER quoted during Ben Gurion's lifetime.

Five years after B.G. died, someone suddenly came up with an alleged "quote". Your case would never hold up in a court of law because it's a clear matter of hearsay.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_contex...

The burden is upon you to prove that the "quote" is true. Try again.

Hi I don't know if Gurion actually said that as there are alot of false quotes running about. I do know that the last sentence is telling about the context that it could have been spoken.

"THEY SEE ONE THING: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?’

I read that they have a particular mindset that shows they believe only in one large Pan Arab state and the Immat al Islam (nation of Islam) and do not accept any other idealogies and they believe once an area had Arab dominion it will forever remain Arab dominion.

This mindset is growing by the way and in that quote Gurion did acknowledge "our G-d is not theirs." There is a larger conflict to be viewed other than this Palestinian cause and there are Arab leaders that have their own quotes that are verifiable "STRAIGHT" from their own mouths in real time that we can use as truth today.

The Escalation of the Conflict During Ahmadinejad's Presidency

With Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's rise to power in 2005, the conflict reemerged, with greater intensity. Ahmadinejad reverted to Iran's previous policy of anti-Saudi hegemony, by pushing the export of the revolution, and promoting a messianic Shi'ite vision that stresses the imminent appearance of the Mahdi and the reestablishment of the great Persian Empire. In his second television appearance following his election, he said: "The message of the [Islamic] Revolution is global, and not restricted to a specific time or place. It is a human message, and it will move forward. Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer. Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountaintops of the world." [6]

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA49209

Hamas In Their Own Voices

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg

The Islamic nation is rising and awakening and will regain leadership of the world... Death to America, Death to Israel -- Khaled Mashal, Hamas Leader while in Qatar 2/3/06

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese." -- PLO Executive Committee member Zuhayr Muhsin, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw."

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"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it."- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not."

- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria."- Representative of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated: "The only Arab domination since the Conquest in the year 635 hardly lasted, as such, 22 years."

"You Arabs admitted that the [Palestinian] cause began after 1967. The Israelis can sue you now, if they sue you they will win."

Qaddafi to Arab Summit 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP2ePHOLSqo

"I would have joined a terrorist organization." - Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

He never said anything like this. That is why Wiki is not a reliable source of information.

1. It is highly unlikely that this was actually said by the Prime Minister, Is there a recording of it? A letter signed by him?

2. Even if the Prime Minister said that, he was stating what the Arabs believe, not what is factually so.