Moderate muslims: Isn't it time you guys launched a compassionate jihad to fight radical injustices...?

Audacity of Me, you made and excellent point and it is very true!

The reason has nothing to do with Western imperialism or the west fighting for the Muslims or not.

That fact is whether the west was there in the Middle East or not, the radical Muslims would still end up murdering innocent people including women. Why can decent Muslims stand up and protest against these evil people? No one knows why and several western reporters have asked these questions but never got a single answer.

But as you mentioned, the minute you criticize or make fun of Islam, the Muslim gets angry and murders or threatens the source. But when an innocent Muslim woman is raped or murdered, Muslims do not get angry and do not seek revenge on the rapist or murderer. Where is the Jihad against these evil Muslims? You can not blame this on the west.

As far as Shariah law is concerned, it is just another tool for theocracy. Theocracy is an evil from of government whether it is Muslim, Jewish, or Christian. It is a dictatorship just like Nazi Germany. Who died and made these religious leaders God? They do evil things and justify it by saying it is God’s way. That is just hypocrisy! Remember, you will never have any real justice in a theocracy. Also religious law is man-made and has nothing to do with believing in God.

A lot of the problems in the Middle East are not because of the west. And even if it was, that is still no reason for what they do to their own people.

The west is not brainwashed as some Muslims think. You do not have to fight a Jihad to believe in God or Allah.

Try reading the book called “The Truth about Muhammad” by Robert Spenser.

Additional comment: Good point Natassia!

Additional Comment: Not all Muslims are one. There are EXTREMIST or radical Muslims whether Islam addresses it or not. There are evil Muslims that rape and murder innocent Muslims as well as non-Muslims. These are hard facts. And the west is not the cause of this. And why can we ask you do declare Jihad against evil Muslims? Because they are Muslims? That does not make sense in any period of history.

And please do not declare Jihad or fatwa against non-Muslims or the west. You are going to have to learn to be tolerant just like the Jews, Christians, and atheists.

Extremism, terrorism, fundamentalism and "moderate" muslims are concepts created by the west propaganda to excuse the unjust wars in muslim countries and the robbery of their resources.

BUT there are muslims with a good understanding of the religion and who are practising islam.WHILST there are other muslims who are just muslims by name.

If u really knew about islam u would be a muslim by now, and if u had proper knowledge of sharia, u would be asking for it, even if u were not muslim.

But inshaAllah one day u like others have the courage to find out the truth and overcome all the misconceptions about islam.

And yes...we are working within our own communities to increase the knowledge of current muslims who have also been brainwashed by the media.

Are you try to split Muslim with so-called Radical and Moderate Muslim?

What's more?

Fundemantalist Muslim? Terrorist Muslim? Non-Terrorist Muslim? Traditional Muslim? Secular Muslims?

All Muslim are One, no such ideas.

Yes, I alert that some part of Muslim are really radical on their way. But let me tell you something - "who causes it?"

It has been causes by Western Colonialism. They separates Iraq and Turkey from Arabs, Persian from Pakistan, Malaysian from Indonesia, Afghanistan from Middle Asia, and North Africa from West Africa.

There is no such as EXTRIMIST or Radical or Moderate thing during our Caliphate. West destroy our Caliphate and make we divided so that they can take advantanges of divisions to steal our natural resources.

And about Sharia Law...

It should be centralized to the Caliph, actually,

but since the West are meant to divide us and prevent Caliphate,

I can't do anything for that.

If a Caliph still exist, then the law should be standardized for entire Muslim community, therefore, majority of Muslim (that you say as moderate) can cast their idea of Law in very appropriate way.

p/s:

We can't punish another Muslim except according to Law, but the Law is already decentralized and become local after the fall of Caliphate.

And please don't ask us to declare JIHAD against Muslims.

I don't even attack our enemy, ISRAEL and America, how can I do that to my loving bretheren?

Another p/s:

Shariah and COMMON LAW of British is quite same. Common Law adapted many of Shariah law since 1200 AD...notice that.

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There is no such thing as modern Muslims. Your either Muslim or non-Muslim. There is no need for Islam to be reformed. Islam is perfect the way it is, providing we don't let the Kuffar and Western Ideals seep into Muslim lands and poison the Ummah. Shariah Law is a wonderful justice system when it is enacted correctly without stupid interpetations from mankind.

the answer of the guy above me freaks me out.

i think you got the answer to your question though. some of them actually think the muslim terrorists are justified. killing a million innocent people for the sake of jihad is fine, but protesting against a muslim-no way!

What i don't get is, if it's jihad then it should be done front and centre with an official war. not underhanded acts of terrorism like crashing planes into 100% civilian areas or taking hotel guests hostage or shooting at a foreign cricket team. How is this helping to get back whatever they say they've lost. If anything, it's revenge.

The problem is Western imperialism. Many Muslims see Muslim radicals as a counterweight to Western expansionism. Without the threat of Western intervention (which has been going on for the past three hundred years, starting with the English take-over of Muslim India), Muslim moderates would have greater voice and would be able to prevail. Otherwise, they are easily sidelined as puppets of Western imperialists and lose the propaganda war.

Extremism exists in all cultures and religions, and some of the most brutal extremist acts have been perpetrated by atheist regimes, the classic example being Enver Hoxa's Albania which officially made atheism state policy and many people were hanged for praying. Pol Pot is another example.

As in other religions, religious zealotry has existed among Muslims, yet it rarely resulted in mass violence. The only example that I can think of where extremists took up arms and succeeded is when Ibn Saud and his tribesmen took over what is now Saudi Arabia. But the House of Saud has also been friendly with the West, and the strict monotheists ("wahabis") have never wanted to invade or take over other nations or to spread Islam by force outside of their own region. Saudis do finance Islamic projects to propagate Islam but that is through peaceful means.

After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the CIA working with Pakistani intelligence ISI and funded by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, started the "Jihadi" movement in the border areas of Pakistan. Jihadi textbooks were prepared at the University of Nebraska and distributed in the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan by the ISI. Religious extremists were used as "useful idiots" to get the Soviets out. It worked.

After Soviets left, Osama bin Ladin returned to his own native country, Saudi Arabia, and two things happened: 1). the US decided to establish permanent military bases in Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War, and 2). Israeli brutalities against the Palestinians and the Lebanese continued unabated, with impunity. Bin Ladin realized that the Americans have no intention of ever leaving the Middle East, they have established full military control over Gulf countries, and they are hurting interests of Muslims by their actions or strategic non- actions, such as their refusal to condemn or pressure Israel. So his strategy was to use the same trick against the US as they themselves had used against the Soviets. The same team was selected. The strategy didn't work this time for several reasons: 1). There was no super-power backing this time. 2). Afghans who had hosted the liberation movement had themselves become divided. 3). The Western Powers controlled the international media and the banking system. 4). The US forces were entrenched in too many Arab countries. 5). Unlike the Afghans, and contrary to American public opinion, the vast majority of Arabs do not normally stick their neck out unless they really have to, and they were afraid of Iraq-like chaos, and that's something that Bin Ladin also alludes to in couple of his speeches.

So even though al-Qaida strategy has failed, the desire on the part of ordinary Arabs and Muslims to liberate their countries from Western hegemony has not ebbed. Hardly any Arab or Muslim believes that the US or Britain is fighting for 'their' freedom. They are the ones they need freedom from! To achieve their goal of having political and economic independence from the West, some Muslims have proposed uniting Muslims in some form or another, so that they would have the strength to stand up to Western imperialism. (Al-Qaida, by the way, never took that position). That was a mistake on the part of Arabs/ Muslims because Jewish lobbies immediately used the bogey of "global Jihad" for the establishment of a Caliphate to make a case that that is the root cause of terrorism-a demand that can never be met. The CORE political issues i.e., freedom for Palestinians and presence of US/British troops in the Middle East was then either ignored or quickly dismissed. So, for example, in the recent PBS series, "America at a Crossroads," towards one of the episodes they briefly mentioned that the US is keeping troops in 130 countries but wouldn't elaborate on it as the one of the very reasons why terrorists are attacking the US. That would have offended the Conservatives and Jews in this country; PBS chickened out. Not only that, PBS gave one full hour to Michael Isikoff to perpetuate this myth.

First of all, I support Shariah law and any group that is trying to implement Shariah law. I can tell that you are not so in tune with what is actually happening in Muslim lands. because Those "radical Muslims"are fighting against the people that waged war against them. What is so radical about that? Is it because they are Muslims that are fighting, and Muslims are expected to bow down to those that want to take their land? You know in Somalia, the Ethiopian army invaded under the command and support of the American government, because the Ethiopian government is another one of America's bitches, and were massacring innocent civilians? And the ones that are fighting against them protecting their land are the ones you are calling 'radical' And in Afghanistan and Pakistan, you know there are 2 Talibans? The true Taliban which wants to implement Shariah law and got rid of the drugs, built women only universities. Then there is the imposter Taliban which are supported by India and out side forces which committ atrocities in the name of the original Taliban. This "Taliban" is the one we always here in the news. Nobody will tell you this in the news, it seems that you have been brainwashed also.

And you do realize you are calling for Muslims to stand up against eachother right? No normal Muslims would do that. I support the Muslims that are in Jihad, and I hope they win against the American, Russians, Jews, Ethiopians and all of their enemies and the enemies of Allah. They are not terrorists. They are Mujahideens. Fighting for the sake of Allah.

So to sum it all up, I'm not condemning anything.

User below- yes my answer would 'freak out' ignorant people. And killing a million innocent people in the "war on terror "is justified? But the people defending themselves against the ones waging this war aren't justified? 9/11 was an inside job, and the Mumbai attacks were done by Hindus. And both are blamed on the Muslims. Get with it and stop watching Fox News, or CNN and Sky News!

I don't think you understand....there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

And in regards to these Islamic groups, Muslims can't even come to a consensus about them. Many Muslims feel that Al Queda, Hamas, Taliban, etc. are morally justified.

You cannot argue with people that believe their religion is PERFECT. You cannot argue with people that believe Muhammad was a man of God.

They will simply blame the West...or they will say that there are corrupt Islamic leaders. But the blame will never be on Islam itself.

And until the teachings are moderated, the religion never can be. And the Quran CANNOT be changed.

There is no term in Islam as Moderate muslims, there are either Muslims or Non-Muslims.

Moderates are Non-Muslims.

First off who the hell are you to categorizing muslims as moderate or radical ?

that definitaion of moderate muslims is meant to be Washington friendly ,i, even though i'm af ormer muslim,domn't accept it

Why don't you bimbos go fix your own radical terroristic gov then come back and whine bout muslims. Americans have killed more people than anybody elseis it not true