Has anyone read the prophecies of the Hopi?

i'm mohawk, one of the 6 nations of the haudenasaunee and we are cousins to the hopi. what you have put there is a bastardization of their prophecy. your website manataka is one of the biggest bunch of frauds out there

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=324...

"The Manataka American Indian Council is the largest fraudulent Indian exploitative group in Arkansas, mixing New Age and Pagan concepts with American Indian concepts. Not only do they make misleading claims about themselves, they exploit legitimate Indian culture and attempt to misappropriate sacred religious ceremonies. "

do not believe ANYTHING they say on that site. if there is any truth there ti is because they lifted it from another legitiimate site. native people have been fighting this group for a long time but they have money and are very good with threatening those who dare question them. stay away from them.

if you want to know our REAL prophecies you can hear some here:

http://www.wisdomoftheelders.org/program03.html

Hmmmm. a dark-skinned younger brother and a white-skinned elder who we will call the White Brother. That's interesting.

i believe we are nearing the end of civilization as we know it.

It may be a few generations away, but mankind will undergo some kind of spiritual renewal, or 'purification' that will return us to the moral kind of humanity we once knew.

Our obsession with material things has poisoned the world, blackened our skies and degraded the very air and water we rely on for human life. We have not taken Mother Nature's [or God's, or the intelligent designer's or the big bang theory's] dictates seriously of protecting our good Earth, having dominion over the animal population and conserving those things which are most precious to our very survival (such as plants and crops).

A purification is, indeed, necessary. But will it come too late?

In June, 2006, I wrote a blog at www.blogger.com called "BUSHWACKER!". It was a fictional account of a hi-tech terrorist group that obliterated most of America's political leaders, wealthy elitists, overpaid celebrities and social cretins. An earthquake destroyed L.A.; hurricanes decimated Washington, DC and New York City....and most of man's monolithic monuments to himself were destroyed.

I believe there are forces 'out there' that will eventually save mankind from his own self-destruction. Whether it's a 'purification' or a tragic and horrendous 'natural' series of events, man's avarice, arrogance, self-indulgence, ignorance and hubris wll finally be washed away from this planet and we will start all over once again.

Thank you for sharing these Hopi prophecies. -RKO- 04/05/09

Kanien speaks the truth. I am from Arkansas and live near this exploitive group of people, and those I know among their 'elders" are as Indian as I am. I am NOT a Native American.

That group is NOT authentic and they have also made up stories about the local "history" of Arkansas tribes that have angered many of the few remaining real descendents of the natives of this area.

I would not recommend that site for anyone wishing to learn about your real ancestral past if you have native ancestry.

Here are others to avoid.

http://home.aihsc.info/ARMO_fraud.htm

I am a member of a people who often have others exploit and misrepresent us for various agendas of identity theft as well, so I certainly understand the distaste that the remaining authentic First Nations Peoples have for those who would bastardize their ways for profit.

edit: You ask for the readers thoughts to what you present as prophecies of the Hopi. You ask if anyone has read the prophecies of the Hopi. I can't trust that what is presented on the link is authentic Hopi belief because I know for a fact that the reference you give misrepresents much about many peoples. The SOURCE for what you ask us what we think is a group that is a fraudulent group and so there are two of us who know this who have given you our views, that if you are wishing to understand Hopi beliefs, look to a legitimate reference please. You say you make no claims of its authenticity..then, there shouldn't be any problem with looking to authentic information on the Hopi to discover what their prophecies really are, and I believe Kanien's help/ information would be a much more reliable resource for you. I've seen her answer on issues of Native American Indians and I know that her references ARE legitimate.

If I did not have respect for the right of the First Nation's Peoples to their own history, customs, religions and heritage, I would not have commented here at all.

I raise my child as my parents raised me, to be respectful and tolerant of the right of individuals and groups to have their own unadulterated culture, customs and beliefs. My tolerance extends to the point where the expression of those beliefs violate certain standards of behaviors: If they attempt to violate another’s civil rights, seek to incite harm to anyone, willfully deceive another or misrepresent the beliefs of others then my tolerance ceases.

Therefore I am compelled to share the information that I have about Manataka

Your question asked what we think. That's what I think.

shalom and good luck on your exploration of your lost heritage

edit: I am sorry I do not have a resource for you and I am not a member of any First Nations people.

I was simply compelled to speak up because I knew of the deceptive nature of the group you referenced. The link I gave has references that may help. In addition, Kanien's resources would be those I would trust.

Good luck with your search.

Thomas Jefferson was a revolutionary thinker in more ways than one. I doubt he would approve of the current Tsusquanegidv in charge. Here's one of the many things he wrote about how He wanted to deal with the Native Americans of his time. We all know how things turned out but this was his thinking at the time...

"I am of opinion that government should firmly maintain this ground: that the Indians have a right to the occupation of their lands, independent of the States within whose chartered lines they happen to be; that until they cede them by treaty or other transaction equivalent to a treaty, no act of a State can give a right to such lands; that neither under the present constitution, nor the ancient confederation, had any State or person a right to treat with the Indians, without the consent of the General Government;... that the government is determined to exert all its energy for the patronage and protection of the rights of the Indians, and the preservation of peace between the United States and them; and that if any settlements are made on lands not ceded by them, without the previous consent of the United States, the government will think itself bound, not only to declare to the Indians that such settlements are without the authority or protection of the United States, but to remove them also by the public force." --Thomas Jefferson to Henry Knox, 1791. ME 8:226

edit: Hey I know I didn't answer your question directly but to be honest it's over my head. I'm a conservative in the true sense of the word. I'll bet you any money that I've got more respect for this earthly gift we've been given than some 'tree hugger' who lives in some apartment in a concrete jungle like LA or NYC.

Yes, I've read them but I have to admit that I have not researched them to any great degree or studied them in depth as I have other religious texts.

However, based on what I have read I believe they originated from prophecies that were revealed in the book of Daniel but passed on through oral tradition generations before the people who made up the Hopi tribe either left the Hebrew people or were forced out due to transgressions against God. Of course they could have been gentiles that lived a slaves among the Hebrew people, but there's no real way to know for certain. Whomever they were, after hearing these oral prophecies, I believe they migrated here across the Bering Straights land bridge when it still existed. Because of their origins there is "some truth" to what these prophecies say, particularly regarding the future time of "purification and judgment".

But, those prophecies although already altered when brought here have undergone even more alterations since then. They will therefore serve to turn people away from the one true God and toward the Antichrist.

I say this for a couple of reasons. First of all, the similarity between these prophecies regarding the birth of Jesus Christ and the Old Testament prophecies regarding his birth give evidence of where they originated.

Second, the "brothers" bear a stark resemblance to the Beast and the False Prophet in the Book of Revelation who are obviously the Antichrist and the Muslim Mahdi. The Old Testament prophecies regarding these two predate even the Hopi living on this continent. The primary difference in how they are viewed though is the same as the difference between what Christians and Muslims see in their prophecies. Like the Muslims, the Hopi will see the Antichrist and the Muslim Mahdi as the Messiah and his helper and will unfortunately fall before him and take his mark before Jesus actually returns. Sadly, the process of verification for this "False Messiah" is in keeping with the traditions of the Hebrew people, so when he takes the throne and declares himself God, the world will look to them to verify his deity and it will be for naught. And the only people who will know his true identity will be those who are persecuted sought out by him and his minions to be killed.

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Edit: It's not surprising that the original prophecies they brought with them were older than the Christian Bible and I wouldn't argue the point since all prophecy from the Old Testament is older than the Christian Bible. *chuckle*

I'm just saying that I don't believe everything they're presenting was included in the original prophecies exactly as they are presenting it now, and because of those alterations I believe many will be led astray.

Yes.

The "Purification" will come when guilt is beyond redemption, and before it is too late.

Have two Native American Heritage families as friends for over 35 years.

Navajo, Cherokee. We think (close to) alike.

I not scared.I've accepted Christ.To those that haven't they need to read the "Left Behind" books.Or better yet The Bible.Funny how no matter how they try to disprove the Bible it has a way of being Proved.

The Birthing pains are getting closer....

My Tribe also has a brother legend. Interestingly, so do the Mayan's who play a foot ball game of life and death.

http://www.native-languages.org/quechan-legends.ht...

Patience.

I believe that the same God appeared to different anciant cultures telling them the same message in different forms. What you are reminding us of being among the forms...