liberals- What is it that turns you against school vouchers for students?

It's easier to control the indoctrination when you can get to the little kiddies early in their formative years. And that's easier to do when you can keep them in Teachers Union controlled classrooms. By the time they are going on to college (if they do) they are fully formed liberal robots. Is it any coincidence that the vast majority of democrats are against vouchers? It comes down to a fear of competition. The same mindset that feels it's better to award "participation" medals in order to protect everyone's self esteem. They never seem to understand that getting something for nothing has just the opposite effect on a person's self esteem.

to your points, first... public education is much more than what you seem to think it is...

for example, public education HAS to educate special needs children which drives up costs tremendously per child (they often have to have one on one teachers, special equipment that is child specific... and so on...not saying it's wrong, just the facts)... it also has to educate English as a second language kids... and so on...

private schools can turn down anyone at any time for any reason... to keep costs under control...

NOW to my points... my big issues are several fold...

A. private schools are companies... vouchers would increase DEMAND by several hundred times... what happens when demand increases? prices increase... thus the vouchers would likely only pay for a small part of the cost...

basically, take what the private schools cost now, and just tack it onto the voucher amounts... private school prices are that much for a reason... THAT'S WHERE THE MARKET SET THE PRICE...

B. if you do vouchers, you have tens of thousands of students who CURRENTLY go to private schools, that would all of a sudden will be taking tax payer money, that currently they do not...

if you pull that out of the public schools, it's less than they have now, overall, on average...

if you don't, you have to raise taxes or take it from somewhere else...

EDIT: SOME private schools that do accept special needs children, but they don't have to provide any standard level of care...

public schools have to provide expensive specialists, often with expensive supplies...

sitting in a room with a nun, isn't the same cost burden.. and any special equipment is usually paid for by the parent...

And you put all the same kids in the same school buildings and impose a "for profit" beaurocracy on top to suck off 20% for CEO salaries and stock holder dividends. Lower teacher salaries, which is guaranteed to attract better teachers than higher paying positions do, to increase profits. Exactly how does lowering per student money in the class room going to "improve" education?? Private schools succeed because they don't have to accept every applicant, they can demand higher performance because they can pick the better students. once you force private schools to accept all students, you change nothing, but reduce the amount of money the school systen puts into the classroom. And no department of Education means no oversight of the benevolent coeporations sucking their 20% off the top of the schoolbudget.

Well I am gay. If I ever get the right to marry and have a family like everyone else does then maybe I will worry about school stuff.

If I ever met the right guy I would think about kids, even though here in Indiana that would probably be hard as hell to do. No marriage, have to pay more in taxes as a result, probably hard to adopt, evil stares from church goers, etc.

School vouchers have several problems:

(1) Since school vouchers typically pay a portion of tuition, the kids who use the voucher typically come from middle class or better families (who can pay extra money on top of the vouchers). That means that the public schools lose their middle class kids, who are often good role models for poor kids and who benefit from interacting with poor kids.

(2) Public school funding is based on number of students. As money goes from public schools to vouchers, the quality of public schools drops, which further sets back the poor kids.

(3) Public schools by law are transparent as to their approaches and the way they spend money. They share their best practices with the public. Private schools do not share as much information, which not only means we're not getting as much for our tax dollar, but we don't know as much about how they are spending our tax dollars.

(4) Many people do not support using tax dollars to indoctrinate kids with religious teaching, be it Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, or some other faith. Religion tends to have a view of history that is not in the national interest of a multicultural society.

That said, I do support public charter schools, experimental public schools, and so on.

That is not true. I had 3 children who went to Catholic Schools their whole life. and they are much more expensive than you think. Plus include transportation.

If people are rich enough let them send their children to a private school, if not, they are not going to afford one with a voucher. Just the rich will get them and I have issues with paying for private religious schools.

Moreover, not one I know takes special needs children. They are who you want to leave behind.

I think we need to work on our current schools. I would certainly not appreciate it if I sent my children to private schools and then had to pay for yours PLUS the public schools!

We don't. We believe every child should receive a good education in public schools and, by the way, our founding fathers if you bothered to read up on them HATED ORGANIZED RELIGION. So don't quote Franklin to me.

Libs want to control the children's minds. Sell the children on progressive things like abortion.

Because liberals are only pro-choice if the choice is to kill a baby.

The abusiveness of the system.

Peace*