Feminists do you think it is fair?

Men are just better at everything... including dying. We die so much better than women.

These expectations no longer exist, which most people think is a good idea, as attempting to sort everyone out so the males waited until last would pragmatically lead to a lot of unnecessary hold up and confusion etc. It is also only a saying and has never been part of any maritime law.

As for facing icy death, this too was faced by a great many women and children so men could get onboard life boats (going to the most famous tragedy, the survivors from the Titanic include 20% of the men onboard). Plus the argument "how many men have died" pale in comparison to the number of women who have throughout history died in childbirth, but neither figure actually means anything especially in regards to equality between the genders today.

Also, a great many feminists have taken offense at this saying, so in your terms, they are fighting for the right to die.

Accuracy is fun, you should try it.

I'm sorry, I didn't know men had been fighting for the right to die. If men want to die so bad then I don't see the problem.

I'm guessing you're talking of the Titanic. Who made the ship unsafe? Men. Who left too few safety boats on the ship? Men. Hell, who hit the damn ice burg in the first place? A man. Quit b*tching.

Your silly attempts at logic are so cute.

Personally, as I have no children of my own, I would give up my seat in a lifeboat to a father with a family to take care of. But I don't expect that to happen anytime soon because there ae enough lifeboats for all passengers on board.

This is not true. No one observes these rules anymore. Everyone gets off the boat in an orderly fashion, men women and children. Gender or age is not considered.

Dude, those beliefs sank with the Titanic. Modern day cruise ships, or any kind of a ship for that matter, have life boats for everybody on board and procedures for everybody on board.

I hardly think the rescue policy on ocean cruisers is a relevant modern question.

However, it is telling that the "wage gap" remains a serious question in some academic circles, while feminism has apparently gotten away with pretending not to have noticed the sexism of the Selective Service for the better part of a century now.

The difference between fighting for one's gender and fighting for equal rights is exactly why I'm supportive of classical feminism and opposed to the modern variety.

The reason for that happening was to save the children first. it therefore followed that the women would be needed to look after the children and thats why they were given priority too.

But the emphasis was always to save the children first.

First of all, life isn't fair.Secondly, I think you need to study your Titanic history better...and not rely on the James Cameron rendition for your "facts."

Out of 2229 passengers only 713 survived...MOST of them 1st class passengers. So, in reality, who survived Titanic was really more of an issue of class than gender.

When it came to any so-called "Chivalry" regarding "Women and Children first"....it was only alloted to the wealthy women and juvenile passengers in 1st Class!

The cold hard reality is that most of the 2d and 3d class FEMALE and juvenile passengers were ignored by White Star personnel and forced to fend for themselves....and a number of them wound up dying, just like the men. Also, a number of the 3d class women refused to leave their families to save their own lives!

The numbers?

There were 706 third class passengers on board - 462 men, 165 women and 79 children.

178 third class passengers survived the disaster - 75 men, 76 women and 27 children.

Now compare that to 1st and 2d Class passengers:

There were 325 first class passengers on board - 175 men, 144 women and 6 children

202 first class passengers survived - 57 men, 140 women and 5 children

There were 285 second class passengers on board - 168 men, 93 women and 24 children

118 second class passengers survived the disaster - 14 men, 80 women and 24 children

FTR there were some suffragists like Sylvia Pankhurst who claimed the three known suffragist women on board Titanic should've went down with the ship...

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1...

but she was safe in England, so she could afford to make such ridiculous 'boats or votes' comments, couldn't she? I'll bet if Miss Pankhurst was on the ship, she'd been scrambling for survival just like the others!

Besides, there were also a number of women in 1st Class who chose to stay behind with husbands...and they went down with the ship, too!

These women were NOT suffragists or feminists with something to prove. Rather they were traditionalist who took the Biblical injunction of "wither thou goes" literally.

One of the great TRUE life Titanic sacrifice/love stories was that of 63 year old Ida Strauss, the wife of Isadore Strauss, the founder of Macy's Dept stores. Ida helped her maid get into a lifeboat, but she herself refused to stay into the boat. She actually jumped out of the lifeboat to stay behind with her husband on board Titanic. Ida was heard to say to Isadore "We have lived together for many years. Where you go, I go."

The last time they were seen together they were sitting on deck chairs. Her body was never recovered.

but any rate...women have made many,many sacrifices for their families...look at the MANY women veterans and active duty military personnel who are EVEN NOW in the Middle East...they make sacrifices every day so that YOU can have the "freedom" to insult them and disregard their contributions to America.

You sure must be proud....

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also, the lifeboats were not filled to capacity. It was the male crew members and some of the 1st class passengers like Sir Cosmo Gordon who refused to go back to rescue anyone. In fact, it was alleged that he and his wife Lady Duff-Gordon paid off crew members not to go back to rescue others. So...more proof that Titanic survival was more about class than gender.

Oh ya that happens to me all the time...just last week in fact!