When will the Palestinians accept Israel's request of establishing a Palestinian state?

Do you actually know the conditions attached to the 2000 offer?

Israel would maintain control of aquifers under the West Bank.

Israel would have unrestricted access to Palestinian airspace, and not just for civil aviation.

Palestine wouldn't be permitted a proper army

Palestine wouldn't be allowed to enter into treaties without Israel's consent.

Israel would have a right to deploy its army in Palestinian territory if it thought it was threatened.

Palestinian refugees forced out of Israel would lose all right to compensation. (contrast that with the enthusiastic pursuit of compensation for Jewish people who lost property to the Germans).

Palestine would lose all rights to ever dispute that again.

So when will Palestinians 'accept' Israel's 'request' to establish a Palestinian state? When Israel accepts they don't have the right to dictate the terms and when the state will be fully sovereign.

If Israel wants to be recognised as a Jewish state then it should yield 20-25% of its territory to a new Palestinian state, given that 20-25% of the Israeli population are Palestinian Muslims.

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8 TDs and only the original questioner has the guts to try to debate with me, doesn't that make you ashamed of yourselves?

Now for DarkAI:

The problem with what you consider reasonable demands is that they're, well, not reasonable. It's political game playing, making impossible demands allows Israel to pretend their offering Palestinians a state when they're in reality offering them a bastardised mix of oppression and sovereignty. Nothing but full and unquestioned sovereignty can be acceptable. Why should Israel enjoy full sovereignty but get to deny it to others? That's gross hypocrisy.

Why would they want a proper army? Why shouldn't they want a proper army? Why does Mexico want a proper army, no-one will ever invade it, yet no-one questions their right to it. Can you guarantee absolutely 100% that there is no chance at all of Israel, or Jordan or Egypt, for that matter ever deciding they want to take over Palestine? Let's just suppose that the water situation gets desperate and thirsty Israelis, or Jordanians, decide that ceasing control of the aquifers under the West Bank would be a good idea. Should they be left utterly defenceless? And why should one country be allowed to dictate what another country can or can't have? Should Britain be able to tell the Irish they have to dissolve their armed forces? Or Germany tell the Austrians to disarm?

You say you wouldn't want an independent Palestine joining with Syria and Iran. Don't you understand that if they're forced to accept a humiliating half-sovereignty with Israel still getting to impose their dominance over Palestine that that practically forces Palestine to ally with Iran and Syria? Not one single Palestinian has ever known the dignity of being in their own state, or being able to look the world in the eyes as equals. If Israel continues to deny them that then the only chance they would have would be to ally with the enemies of Israel to try to scare Israel into backing down. If someone comes along and takes everything I possess then gives me back a few scraps I'm not going to say 'thank you sir', I'm gonna find the biggest, meanest bastards in the area who hate that person and join with them to try to kick the crap out of the person. Deny Palestinians the dignity of equality with Israel and you'll force them to take the same attitude.

Yes, Israel would lose the right to dispute the agreement too, but the two are hardly comparable. Israel knows that at the moment they're playing a game where they're holding pretty much all the cards. They want to make any agreement permanently binding because they know they'll get a better deal now than they would if they had to negotiate with equals down the line.

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I understand what you're saying on the Iran / Syria issue. The thing is, if Israel ever wants to live in peace it's going to have to take a gamble accept a Palestinian state. And yes, it would be a gamble, let's not pretend that the second Palestine becomes a sovereign state Israel will be safe enough to turn their tanks into tractors (bringing beating swords into plows up to date).

So what's to be done? Israel can either accept it will always live under a state of siege and its citizens will never be able to feel truly safe getting on a bus (not defending attacks on civilians, simply stating the reality) or they can take the gamble and see what happens. The thing with the gamble is it's not gonna be with fair dice, they'll be loaded and it's up to Israel how they'll be loaded. The more Israel pushes for anything but full sovereignty for Palestine the more they weight the dice against themselves.

Remember, when Palestine becomes independent one side within it will be saying 'you see what negotiating with Israel gets us'. Israel needs to choose whether it wants Fatah saying that because Palestine is a properly sovereign nation being helped get on its feet by Israel and the wider world, or whether it wants Hamas saying it because the Palestinians will still feel they're living under Israeli domination.

Denying them an army simply humiliates them, allowing them one gives them a sense of national dignity and realistically won't threaten Israel. Come on, Israel's one of the most powerful nations on earth, and allied to the most powerful. Palestine can't pose a significant threat to it.

People need to understand that peace and justice are two sides of the same coin, one can not exist without the other. There can be no justice when kids are killed by some ******** launching a rocket at them, or dropping bombs on them. And there can be no peace when there's the injustice of one side having a successful sovereign state and the other having nothing, or after a Palestinian state if there is the injustice of one side living in peace and the other still fearing attack.

At the moment, Palestinians have no reason to choose peace. Give them a just solution and you give them the reason they need. At the last election when Gaza voted for Hamas they had a choice between fighting oppression with Hamas and negotiations seemingly going nowhere with Fatah, they chose Hamas. Israel needs to ensure their next choice is between a properly sovereign state working towards success with the civilised world and making itself a pariah doomed to misery if it sides with the scum in Iran and Syria.

Wow, what an absolutely ridiculous piece of fiction you got going there. That was not the terms, and you know it. The terms were 1- The Palestinian state would not be allowed a military 2- they wouldn't have control over their own air space, and Israel can feel free to fly over it with whatever they wish. 3- No right of return for Palestinian refugees 4- If Palestine signed any treaties with countries Israel deemed as their enemies, this would be considered an act of war no mention was made of whether or not Israel would continue to divert the natural resources from Palestine into Israel, I am guessing they probably would. Also, according to the last 'offer' of a state, Israel would not allow Palestine control of their own trade borders, I am assuming that will not change either. Also, lets not lie, Netanyahu doesn't and never has wanted a two state solution, hence this really rubbish 'offer;' that anyone would be mad to accept. It was designed for failure. Lucky for us, the world isn't stupid, and they will see this for what it is. Only the ignorant and biased will consider this a legitimate 'offer'. Ask yourself this, had this been the offer for Israel to start a state, would they have accepted it? I think not! -------I'm sorry Al. but I think you are delusional. Israel loves their pre-emptive strikes, they do it all the time. I would call that attacking first. ------to the person below me, excuse me, Palestinians are very hard workers. They are also among the highest educated Arabs. You know, the Nazis used to say that the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were shiftless and lazy, but their businesses were taken away, the Poles were not allowed to employ them, then when they were used as forced labour when they were starving, they said they were layabouts because they were too weak to work. You sound just like them. The Palestinians homes and businesses are bulldozed, they were bombed to smithereens, and have no where to live, let alone work. The people of the West bank have lost homes and jobs and farms to the other side of the wall, when Israel annexed even more land. You are being purposely obtuse, and insulting. ------How about Egypt and Syria? Both pre-emptive. You can make all the excuses you like, but Israel still attacked first. Would you accept it if someone attacked Israel because they have Nuclear weapons, and they had reason to believe Israel would attack them first? No, you wouldn't. Israel took the opportunity to strike Egypt because many Egyptian troops were engaged in Yemen at the time. If you want to argue about the troops at the border, they were there as a precaution. Either way you look at it, Israel struck first. @ Sabrina Exactly! you unwittingly hit the nail on the head! Thanks mate! By the way, this is what she said, in case she decides to change it: 'What? Since when does Israel want a Palestinian state?' And she speaks the truth believe it or not lol

My answer is never.

Why? Because, the Palestinians are the most foreign-aid dependent society on earth. The aid to Palestine comes from multiple sources such as the Europe Union, Arabic countries, and the U.S.

Just imagine what happens if Palestine became an independent state. It means that Palestine should recognize Israel like a Jewish state, but Arabic countries do not approved this action, because many of them only help Palestinians in their fight with Zionists. The formula is simple, If Palestinians fight with Zionists, they receive money from their Arabic friends, but if they did not fight with Zionists, they receive nothing at all. Palestinians never recognize Israel, because for them it mean lost the war with Zionists. The Palestinians want to take all the land from Israel and deport all Jews from Israel.

I happen to agree totally with lady Lulu. Nobody in their right mind would accept conditions like that .Just what right does Israel have to impose any conditions at all. They are the aggressors, they are the ones that have broken international laws,they are the ones that have illegally occupied the best part of Palestine. They are the ones that have driven 4 million Palestinians into exile. They are the ones that rained down hundreds of tons, including illegally used white phosphorus, of bombs on a prison killing 1300 unarmed civilians. 350 children who were never a threat to anyone and they want to impose conditions such as these.How would Americans feel if they were "given" Nevada with similar conditions?

The UN MUST be the ones to impose any conditions on both sides and this time the US MUST give its full support.

I agree that Hamas should recognise a state of Israel buy ONLY within its 1947 borders. How can you expect Hamas or anyone else to recognise a state that is by international laws ILLEGAL.

"The peak of this process was in Camp david 2000 summit when Palestinians were offered the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem'

FALSE Israel never offered East Jerusalem or agree to disband all settlements on the West Bank.

"Israel will accept to establish a Palestinian independent state."

FALSE An independent state has a right to a defence force, its own airspace, and independent foreign relations.

The Palestinians responded as usually - "We will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state".

FALSE You can not source this quote which suggests you made it up, It was not made by the Palestinian Chief Negotiater nor by a Hamas spokesman in response to Netanyahu's speech

Three incorrect facts in four paragraphs.

Priminister Netanyahu requires the Palestinians to disarm, does not want to quit occupation of Arab East Jerusalem, wishes to keep border definitions open,wants to continue electronic surveillance, refuses the Palestinian's "RIGHT to return, and, does NOT want to stop expansion of Jewish ONLY settlements-basically empty words-he is saying disarm the Palestinians, the Jewish settlers can expand at will, even with deadly force, leaving the Palestinians DEFENSELESS against murderous Jewish expansion.

I guarantee you if the Israelies were doing to the US what they are doing to the Palestinians, the US would shoot something many times STRONGER than homemade missles and Israel would NOT be murdering Americans, and, stealing our land.

BOTTOMLINE: Israel needs to withdraw TOTALLY from the West Bank and Gaza strips and to recognize the Palestinians.

Whether the Hamas have in their charter to recognize Israel or not, plain fact is, it is the Israelies, whose actions speak louder than words-eliminate Palestinians, steal their land. Every major Arab-Israeli conflict starting with Israel's formation was STARTED by the Jews and/or Israel, including some covert operations-suez canal. Following the overthrow of King Farouk of Egypt by the free officers headed by Naguib and Nasser, Egypt made some moves toward peace with Israel. In 1954, an Israeli spy ring was caught trying to blow up the US Information agency and other foreign institutions in Egypt. The goal was to create tension between the US and Egypt and prevent rapprochement. In Israel, both Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon and Prime Minister David Ben Gurion disclaimed responsibility for the action, and blamed each other. This incident came to be known variously as "the Lavon affair" and "the shameful business." The 6-day War was started by Israel-they like to call it a PREEMPTIVE strike to justify it.

Let the Jewish leaders speak for themselves-Jewish leaders, take the floor:

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

ISRAELIE BRUTALITY(WARNING: Some scenes VERY graphic):

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Wow, what an absolutely ridiculous piece of fiction you got going there.

That was not the terms, and you know it.

The terms were

1- The Palestinian state would not be allowed a military

2- they wouldn't have control over their own air space, and Israel can feel free to fly over it with whatever they wish.

3- No right of return for Palestinian refugees

4- If Palestine signed any treaties with countries Israel deemed as their enemies, this would be considered an act of war

no mention was made of whether or not Israel would continue to divert the natural resources from Palestine into Israel, I am guessing they probably would. Also, according to the last 'offer' of a state, Israel would not allow Palestine control of their own trade borders, I am assuming that will not change either.

Also, lets not lie, Netanyahu doesn't and never has wanted a two state solution, hence this really rubbish 'offer;' that anyone would be mad to accept. It was designed for failure. Lucky for us, the world isn't stupid, and they will see this for what it is. Only the ignorant and biased will consider this a legitimate 'offer'.

Ask yourself this, had this been the offer for Israel to start a state, would they have accepted it? I think not!

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What a load of hooey. The PLO and the now Fatah did agree, where did it ever get them?

Just as soon as every single Jew is dead or banished to the netherworld of Siberia or the Antarctica.

Upon those states mentioned above the Palestinians will not broach any subject of peace with Israel.

when the followers of islam stop their hatred for jews which goes back to mohammeds days

it seems it be ingrained in their psyche

so until the religion of peace grows up and its followers start living in the twenty first century and not the dark ages i wouldn't hold my breath

anyway, if they had their own state who would fund it and support their lives on handouts? when they lose their victim status they might have to work to make something of their so called palestinian state....

When the Hen breaks wind.

How much do Zionists pay you to be stupid and ignorant when it comes to history? Thank God not everyone is like you, twisting facts!! How can the robber give back what it robbed?