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Can an "all women's club" exist without being discriminatory?
"Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor resigned Friday from an elite all-women's club after Republicans questioned her participation in it. Sotomayor said she resigned from the Belizean Grove to prevent the issue from becoming a distraction in her confirmation hearings.
In a letter to Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the federal appeals court judge said she is convinced that the club does not practice "invidious discrimination" and that her membership in it did not violate judicial ethics.
But she said she didn't want questions about it to "distract anyone from my qualifications and record."
If yes, could an all men's club exist that was not discriminatory?
O.K. Michael I see your point, and I maybe even agree--I think you're implying that me calling attention to a double standard is an act of "intelligent stupidity." Maybe it is--but is that not still better than a dishonest double standard?
Baba--Does Augusta's policy really set a good example for anyone to follow? I'm honestly not concerned with the goose OR the gander. I'm tired of people deciding to endlessly divvy us up and denying our common humanity.
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
If a male judge belonged to a male-only club, he would be in clear violation of the code of judicial ethics (judges are not permitted membership of any organization that discriminates on the basis of sex, race, national origin, etc.). There would also be a public outcry, and rightly so.
Sotomayor and many other female judges are or were members of female-only clubs while they were judges. It amazes me that female judges are not even slightly embarrassed by the double standard.
Sotomayor's lack of capacity for embarrassment even permits her to argue that female-only clubs do not discriminate against men. Only a feminist could use such Orwellian logic and expect to get away with it.
They must really think we are stupid. How else explain it?
EDIT: Baba Yaga, You are missing the point. Judges are not allowed to be members of organizations that discriminate on the basis of sex, race, religion, etc. If Justice Alito was a current member of a male-only club, your point would make sense. But he is not. Nor is any male judge.
- 1 decade ago
Any group, organization, or club that does not allow everyone to enter discriminates on some basis. So if a club exists that does not allow men or women to join, it obviously is discriminating on the bases of gender. The question to me really is whether or not this should be prohibited. Certainly, if gender discrimination is being done by a company, the government, health care (with some obvious examples, i.e., OB doctors), or education, I would have a problem with this. But a private organization, that does not receive government funding, and is only focused on membership, seems like an acceptable environment for such "discrimination".
- Christian MLv 61 decade ago
If women cannot gather as women and men gather as men without being labeled discrimination we are a society of idiots. Unfortunately, even if they could we would remain a society of idiots. When there is no wisdom but only what Eckhrart Tolle calls, 'Intelligent stupidity', what we have today is the result. It does not work and it never will. For all our efforts we are spinning our wheels and going nowhere because we don't know the difference between what is right and good and what is wrong and inane.
- Baba YagaLv 51 decade ago
Oh, for crissakes, a private club can deny membership to anyone. Yes, private mens' clubs can keep women out, and vice versa. Stop acting like it's the end of the world.
Focus for a minute on Augusta National Golf Club, which I believe still denies membership to women. Members can claim its fees and business expenses on their tax returns and pursue job opportunities among themselves which are not open to women . . . and the Republic is still standing. These same allowances apply to women-only clubs.
But I guess what's sauce for the gander isn't sauce for the goose, huh? Sotomayor's membership in the Belizean Grove is as legal and ethical as previous justices' and presidents' memberships in men-only organizations, which they probably didn't resign like she did.
Get over it.
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- 1 decade ago
The reason All Men's Clubs exist is to achieve things outside of the female sphere of control.
There is no reason for an All Women's Club, because women are already adept at guilting and manipulating weak willed men (99% of males). Also, women on their own can accomplish nothing noteworthy. All important inventions, philosophical concepts, scientific and mathematical foundations, and works of art were created by men.
Source(s): â Proud anti-feminist â â I see through the lies, I will not be brainwashed â â Remember, the only thing women hate more than men is other women â - Anonymous1 decade ago
No of course not. Legally though, yes, since the law does not recognize sex discrimination against men.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Haven't you already learned by now that it is not possible to discriminate against Christian heterosexual Caucasian men? It's called JUSTICE!!!
- DanielLv 51 decade ago
When women do it, its okay. Our society allows women to behave a psychotically as they want, often with reduced, or no repercussions. Man hating is part of our mainstream culture, and any man who doesn't swallow it is instantly labeled a misogynist.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
nope.