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Mountains eroding? Global Warming? Italy's three hottest Junes of the past 250 years?
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Swissinfo.html?siteSec...
ROME (Reuters) - Freak weather has caused the collapse of some of the most famous peaks in the Italian Dolomites in what some
scientists say is an effect of global warming. Scientists say the erosion process was accelerated by a summer of violent storms and an unseasonably cold and snowy winter that followed last year's hottest summer in 250 years.
Oh, wuups! Silly me - comes from a European website, a Swiss website reporting Italian news - so it must be a big fat lie that the mountains collapsed and that 2006 was the hottest summer in 250 years, right?
Similar fracturing (but not blamed on GW) is occurring in Yosemite. The granite cools and expands with the summer and winter temperatures eventually causing the long vertical slabs to come a-tumbling down - sometimes on hikers and climbers - every few years there is another headline of the event. Anyway the phenom in Yosemite is similar, except the massive quantity of rock in the Dolomites, here in this article, is attributed to Global Warming.
Well, just this last month, for June, Spain just had 5.3 deg Fahrenheit ABOVE average temps over the last 30 years. Does only Massachusetts count in the global temperature tally - or is it normal for that state because this is nearing an El Niño period?
Ah, yes - - Appears that Anti Warming Bigot mistook "warming" for "cooling". From the article: "Italy's three hottest Junes of the past 250 years were the last three. ((That is, 2004-03-02)) It's a clear sign the climate is changing and it is widely accepted this is
due to man and the greenhouse effect," said Daniele Cartberro of the Italian Meteorological Society. - - - Widely accepted except among The Few With Big Mouths.
Bad Moon, thanks for your answer. I don't argue, nor will I ever. that erosion hasn't been occurring for, well, ever, but this was 35,000 cubic feet of rock that fell. Is this your typical example of EROSION? Moreover, if erosion is the issue, a "base-statement" you've made is incorrect - that ...Erosion IN PRACTICE has nothing to do with Global Warming." Woa, woa... Two examples, well, three, come immediately to mind - one low-lying stretch of England's coast is eroding (and GW is blamed), http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwal... and http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/04/world/europe/04e... and Bangladesh's likewise low-lying delta peninsula has been lost due to rising waters and to erosion. We could add the myriad of floods (and deaths) in Central America from more and stronger-than-normal hurricanes from 2002-2005. Email if you want... This is important.
Starbuck, I was in North Carolina when Hurricane Hugo hit back around 93 or so. I walked around in a field when the rain and wind was at it's worst. No... I don't think you know how much I know wind. Erosion? I like to hike and collect sand as a hobby - that should adequately answer your infantile criticism.
For everybody - Dolomite is a type of marble, relatively soft, and is used for sculpture, building facades, etc., You can read more about it here: http://books.google.es/books?id=wCnm0iyAkX4C&pg=PA...
The article suggests in various ways that it is prone to weathering and degradation. I suggest to you that dolomite is more "sensitive" to Global Warming because of its inherent characteristics.
Is this question being monitored? I suspect so. It compliments me to think that I AM BEING MONITORED... Hunter Warrior posted an answer THREE MINUTES AGO, and already there has been six votes. Strange...
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Maybe due to the stones porosity under pressure, therefor permitting larger pieces to be "leavened" from the mountain "mass" because in a warmer summer the water penetrates deeper into the micro-fractured rock, freezing and expanding in winter, and then collapsing in the following summer due to the thawing of the ice riddled rock faces?
- 1 decade ago
Science does not support the global warming hoax. We have time. Study the problem from both sides - if you don't believe me, ask the guys who signed this petition:
More than 31,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate…" http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html
Source(s): the beaver - Anonymous1 decade ago
Unseasonably cold? Doesn't sound like global warming to me.
Now they're trying to blame global warming on the erosion of mountains? Mountains and rocks are supposed to break down, they've been doing it for millions of years.
But if the collapsing is occurring, who says this should not take several million years? Sometimes things take place in a very short amount of time, whether it's rocks or climate.
- Bad Moon RisingLv 71 decade ago
This is the kind of garbage article that completely undermines the scientific credibility of the global warming discussion!
It is a fine example of how a very minuscule kernel of truth can be spun into sensationalistic trash! Of course swings in hot and cold can cause thermal erosion, it happens every day and everywhere! You are talking about absolutely imperceptible swings in temperature on a global basis somehow effecting erosion. Is this guy nutz! I think he got his geology degree at the university of Bologna...as part of a sandwich. I don't know the specifics of the particular rock collapses that this idiot is talking about but I can be pretty certain that the erosive collapse of ANY solid rock formations began well before recorded human history. The process that he describes takes millions of years of exfoliation. Unless this area had been subject to a fairly major earthquake and is undergoing erosion into the subsequent fractures (which usually still takes millions of years unless a rock face is beyond its slope of instability), erosion has IN PRACTICE nothing to do with Global Warming.
Like most "science" in the GW debate, it is not truly a matter of the facts, it is the significance in absolute terms of the mechanisms involved. If I trip on my way upstairs it wil be due to global warming, because my carpet was too warm and the loss of friction is what caused my fall! This is the lind of insanity that is being listened to by government!
It scares the crap out if me and it should scare the crap out of every citizen!
EDIT: Thank you for your civility. I am a geologist and this sort of mixing of apples and oranges is really bothersome. Coastal erosion is a completely different issue and is a function of basin subsidence and/or rising sea level. Active deltaic discharge areas are continually subsiding at variable rates. Even a very minor 2-3mm rise in sea level will cause coastal erosion of barrier island complexes and delta front sands. These are unconsolidated sediments and are continually being eroded and redeposited. One good hurricane and poof the delta or barrier island can be destroyed. I have posted numerous pieces on the imminent coastal erosion of Mississipi delta locations and Bangladesh. It is absolutely inevitable that both of these and all delta areas will be destroyed by the Transgression that began in the Holocene and is continuing at a slow pace today.
The Mississippi dalta area has literally thousands of feet of delta fronts deposited over older delta fronts and so on! The delta lobe gets destroyed and switches flow to a new lobe with rising seas. There are old cottages on the Brazos delta in Texas that are now out at sea by 1-2 miles because of rising sea level. Remember that sea level was 100-145 meters lower some 11,500 years ago. That puts the average sea level rise at 1.26 centimeters per year. Yes it mostly occured in the first 300 years of the Transgression but don't confuse quiesence with dormancy. Warming (and sea level rise) is continuing at a much slower rate today then back in those 1st 3000 years but it is warming and will get much warmer with or without CO2. We geologists generally don't name our Geological Epochs for an anticipated 3000 year time frame. We pick the time frame to last at least 5 million years! Lots of things happen along the way such as the Little Ice Age, but the Earth cools and warms at its own pace.
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- 1 decade ago
You are out in left field, this is not a question and should be deleted like you do to so many others here that post. Freak weather. Oh, there has never been any freak weather in the past? How silly you sound. Oh, by the way, mountains have been eroding for the milenia. Why do you think the mountains look the way they do. Ever hear of wind and water erosion. It is what shaped much of our planet.
Cry somewhere else on your hoax.
- InternalLv 41 decade ago
True that, looks like the arctic is melting more and more every year, i was just watching a documentary on polar bears and they seem to be in a struggle with the warming process, this is not a good sign as the ice is melting and water is rising. ON TOPIC: i dont think 2006 was hottest summer.. hell no.
- Didier DrogbaLv 61 decade ago
Unseasonably cold and snowy winter...
Right. Sounds like global warming.
Meanwhile Massachusetts just had its 10th coldest June on record.
Call it weather, call it climate, just don't call X amount of warming climate and X amount of cooling weather.
- eric cLv 51 decade ago
250 years ago we were in an event know as the little ice age. So saying the hottest June in 250 years is not saying much.
But when events like these occur "Frost in July hits P.E.I" http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edward-island/stor... and "FREAK SUMMER STORM DUMPS SNOW ON YONKERS (NY)" http://www.nypost.com/seven/07082009/news/regional... you keep telling us we are confusing weather with climate.
So my answer is you "are confusing weather with climate."
- Ottawa MikeLv 61 decade ago
This is just more food for people who can't sort out science from sensationalism.