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Anonymous asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 1 decade ago

What is you opinion of this?

First, because Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British Crown at the time Barack Jr. was born, Barack Sr.'s children, all of them, became subjects of the British Crown. Barack Jr. has stated this very clearly on his former "Fight the Smears" website which has since been scrubbed. If you wish to read what his campaign wrote visit just about any blog covering this story and you can pull it up and read it with your own eyes.

What this means is that Barack Sr's loyalty lied with the Brits. Ann Stanley Dunham, Barack Jr's mothers, loyalties lie with the USA. When Barack was born to these two individuals he became a citizen of the US by virtue of his mother's citizenship AND a subject aka citizen of the British Colony aka Kenya.

This status of citizenship is known as "Dual" citizenship. Note: some argue that if Barack Jr was born in Kenya then his mother was to young to pass on US citizenship, hence, why folks want to see his original vaulted long-form birth certificate.

To complicate matters further, Barack Obama Jr was adopted by an Indonesian citizen named Lolo Soetoro. If he was adopted under the age of 5 he would have automatically become a citizen of Indonesia regardless of a legal adoption. Note - the US gave deference to sovereign territory laws regarding dual citizenship, ie., American and Indonesia or British and Indonesian, etc. Indonesia, at that time, did not recognize dual and only recognized Indonesian citizenship. Therefore, Barack Jr through adoption became an Indonesian citizen. No, he did not ask for this but as a minor child he was under his parents guardianship.

If Barack Obama Jr. went to Indonesia at the age of 6 he would have had to have been formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesian court. The citizenship status, as noted above, would still apply.

Now, we already know that Barack, by birth, was a dual national, British and American, which means he can only be a "native" citizen, that is, if he was born in Hawai'i as he has stated AND if when he returned from Indonesia he applied for and received his status as a naturalized citizen. If he did not apply for naturalization then he is an illegal alien. Few question whether he didn't apply for naturalization but there is no record of it to date so it cannot be ruled out.

Our Founding Fathers made it clear in Article II of the US Constitution that the President must be NOT may be a "Natural Born Citizen" for a reason. They wanted this leader to have loyalties ONLY to the USA rather than divided loyalties such as the USA and Britian - remember these good men gave blood and treasure during the Revolutionary War to secure freedom from the British Crown. They did not want the leader of this country to be loyal to any other homeland.

The definition of a "Natural Born" citizen is two "natural born" parents of the USA. It's nothing more complicated than this. If you were to marry another natural born individual and the two of you had a child in the USA or abroad at a military base or embassy your child would be a NBC.

Barack Obama Jr., by birth, never had the citizenship status of a "natural born" child and is therefore ineligible to serve as the President of the USA according to the laws that govern our nation.

Now if you want to direct your hostility to the appropriate parties who looked the other way then please look no further than the DNC, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Diane Feinstein. These are the culprits who signed off on the eligibility documents required by individual state's Board of Elections. The Party is the sole determiner in vetting their candidates eligibility. No federal agent is required by law to vet said candidates.

Barack Obama Jr is by definition under our laws a "native citizen" AND NOT a "natural born citizen". This is fact as he has clearly stated himself.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The Supreme Court has never ruled on the definition of natural-born citizen. It's not as simple as you seem to think. It's not clear that 2 natural born citizens confer natural born status to their child born off of US soil. It's ASSUMED, but it's not defined in the constitution, and hasn't been decided by SCOTUS. It's also not clear if the non-citizen father confers natural born status to the US born child. As the first case, it hasn't been ruled in or out. SCOTUS did deny or decline to rule on several petitions on these issues in December, but the specific issue of natural born definition is still unheard.

    Everyone on Y!A can definitively say one way or the other, but it isn't obvious, and it isn't settled law by a long shot.

    As to the Indonesian/kenyan thing, no parent or adoptive parent can take away a child's US citizenship. Only the child can, upon reaching majority. Plenty of settled case law on that one.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    It took you a long time to be so wrong. yes, Barack Obama had dual citizenship at birth due to his father's being a Kenyan citizen, and thus a British subject. But since he did not, before his 21st birthday, renounce his US citizenship, he lost his British/Kenyan citizenship. Your claim that he was adopted by Soetoro is not backed by any documents anywhere, and is simply speculation and supposition. Your claim that, had he been adopted by an Indonesian citizen and his adoptive father declared him an Indonesian citizen he would have lost his US citizenship is actually contrary to US law. It would have been his decision upon reaching adulthood as to which citizenship to retain. Your claim that natural-born citizen requires both parents to be natural born citizens is not supported by any statute or judicial ruling. However, it has been established that anyone born on US soil (BTW, US military bases overseas are not US soil, and being born there does not grant citizenship) is a natural born citizen.

  • 5 years ago

    I think people can feel free to have the opinion that they want. They should be able to express there opinion, and those who listen (which should be lots of people) should have an open mind, and maybe change there opinion. Some opinions may not turn into anything, but it doesnt mean there worthless. Even if nobody treasures your opinion, you should. Its what makes you who you are.

  • 1 decade ago

    You giving the wrong legal interpretation. Even if both parents were aliens and if the child is born in the US, the child is a natural born citizen. In there are cases to establish that, read the link below about Lynch v. Clarke from the year 1844 or Perkins v. Elg from the year 1939.

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  • 1 decade ago

    I will not bother to touch the other unless information you posted. Your definition of a natural born citizen is wrong as well as your comments on U.S. laws in regards to citizenship.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I think you either copied this from some morons website or you have way too much free time on your hands. He is the POTUS, he is a natural born American citizen. The subject is over.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Why did the House just vote unanimously that Obama was born here, then? Including Michele Bachmann and all the other G0P airheads.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Holy $hit man, give up already.

    You've been proven wrong.

    Face the facts.

    As much as you hate having a black President, you can't change the fact he was born in Hawaii.

  • N
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Do you have a British birth certificate to back this up?

    Source(s): Absence of evidence is not evidence
  • 1 decade ago

    my "opinion" is that the Birthers are...

    Ape-Sh*t-Crazy

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=Obama+and+birth+certi...

    and

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/28/hawaii-...

    of course this republican has a good point

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32190004/ns/politics-c...

    So..maybe we should let them rant because their Obvious Psychosis is bad for the conservatives.

    ( just an idea )

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