isnt the RCC proof that you can't have Church and State mixed?

The Middle East is an example of how Church and State don't mix...

Islamic Theocracies are willing to kill and torture their own people in the name of their god... And when the state says they speak for god, who can you appeal to?

❀Islamic “Virtue” Laws Put Rape Victims In Prison & Legally Beaten:

Evil Islam: Had women raped, shamed, then forced to commit suicide bombing

http://shawarmamayor.blogspot.com/2009/02/evil-isl...

❀Women Protesting Rape Laws are Stoned:

http://middleeast.about.com/b/2009/04/15/afghan-wo...

❀Egypt rights group wants 'wife rape' outlawed

29% said husbands forced them to have sex

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2007/09/17/39242...

❀Abu Dhabi: no divorce for woman beaten, cheated on and deserted

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011...

❀Men Allowed to Rape Their Wives

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articl...

❀Critics: New Afghan Law Allows Men To Rape Wives

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.c...

❀Pakistan: Woman Raped for Leaving Islam

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011...

❀Beaten For Removing Veil:

http://www.rawa.org/beating.htm

These photos are caught from a video film that has been filmed by RAWA on August 26, 2001 in Kabul using a hidden camera. It shows two Taliban from department of Amro bil mahroof (Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, Taliban religious police) beating a woman in public because she has dared to remove her burqa in public.

❀Exclusive: Saudi Rape Victim Tells Her Story

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=38999...

❀Saudi court ups punishment for gang-rape victim

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/17/saudi.ra...

❀Saudi Arabia Rape Victims Punished + Punishment Doubled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIDl00j-fE

❀Saudi Arabia defends sentence for rape victim

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570495/...

❀Saudi Arabia: Rape Victim Punished for Speaking Out

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/11/15/saudi-arabia...

❀Rape Victim’s Lawyer Refuses to Give In

http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2007/io...

❀Report: Saudi King Pardons Rape Victim

http://cbs2chicago.com/national/saudi.arabia.rape....

❀Jeddah, gang-raped woman sentenced to prison, one hundred lashes

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=14486&ge...

❀Saudi Barbarity: Gang Raped Woman Sentenced To Prison, 40 Lashes

http://paxalles.blogs.com/paxalles/2009/02/saudi-b...

❀Saudi gang rape sentence 'unjust'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7098480.stm

A lawyer for a gang-rape victim in Saudi Arabia who was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail says the punishment contravenes Islamic law. "My client is the victim of this abhorrent crime. I believe her sentence contravenes the Islamic Sharia law and violates the pertinent international conventions," he said. "The judicial bodies should have dealt with this girl as the victim rather than the culprit."

❀How a British jihadi saw the light http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_an...

❀How Ahmad Batebi Survived Torture In Iran

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/03/60minute...

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Just for the record, the "selling of indulgences" was a short-lived practice, and was condemned by the leadership of the Cathlic Church at the Council of Trent in the 1500s...the over-blown BS used by anti-Catholics is as offensive to any real historian as the Maria Monk stories...

That said, the original political philosophies (circa 1600-1700s) that sought to establish a separation of Church and State were actually based on the disillusionments about wars over religion, which were tearing Europe apart at the time.

The RCC was just a player in the game, back then

But I think the modern Western Thoughts about the "backward" nature of countries that allow their churches to run their states is what sustains it nowadays. "Grow Up Loser Report-Nazi's! " has given you a starter list of that sort of justifiable suspicion about Church-run states in the modern world....you may think that "well, it wouldn't be that way if Christians ran the country", but that's a pipe-dream - it was the growing philosophies about the movements in the Enlightenment that led us to the modern world, not Christianity itself....the entrenchment of the medieval world is the fault of the RCC, but then, it was pretty much the only brand of Christianity around for 1500 years...

I agree you shouldn't mix Church and State.

Just for the record They were trying to keep the state out of the Church not the Church out of the State. The Kings found out they could control more people if they controlled the Church. So the division was to keep the state out.

The Church doesn't want to run the state.

You mean like The Holy Roman Empire and The Holy Roman Empire of The German Nation ?

They, the RCC made all the Kings of Europe and gave them The Divine Right to rule over us. Not very seperate is it ?

There's no ought to ban creationism, it simply has no situation in a technological know-how study room. A individual can ship their baby to a devout institution in the event that they wish their children to gain knowledge of creationism, or they are able to coach their children themselves at residence. If we had been to coach creationism in institution (as truth) we might additionally ought to coach the construction experiences of alternative essential religions in order that the youngsters might have same publicity and would make up their possess minds. If you consider instructing children that a fine raven created the sector... and many others. is somewhat foolish, then instructing creationism is similarly foolish. The reality is that children are often taught approximately the unique construction experiences in English elegance after they research global Lit. That is the situation for the lessons of the bible in a public institution.

>>the people who say that were "God's Church", is ironically the reason that church and state were made separate, because it caused problems.<<

Have you even heard of Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Archbishop Laud, etc.? Do you know why the Pilgrims came here? Hint: not because of the Catholic Church.

No.

In fact, the Vatican is a state run by a church so I would say it's the exact opposite.

Yea, the problem with the RCC, is that they try to condemn people for the same actions they commit in their lives, until they are caught red handed, then they try to back track the false image they may have been portraying

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Odd thing,

I agree with you 100%.

The job of the Pope is to get us to heaven, not run Social programs and build roads.

Pope's are human.

I want my Faith and Religion to help me get to heaven, and my Government to take care of the trivial things of this world.

I hope the fundamentalist think about it as well.

Peace be with you.

Every theocracy in history is proof of this.