Young Earth Creationists, a question.?

I have thought about these sort of questions, and I have looked in the Bible to see what conclusion I come to. I looked at Genesis, and I realized something. Man wasn't around when God was making everything. Man was the last thing that God made. So, we assume that a day means 24 hours, but later in the Bible, it says something like, "To God, a million dollars (or the like in the currency of the time) is a penny, and a million years is a day." Or something like that, I'm trying to go off the top of my head. So, we assume that He made everything in 6 days, because that is what He told the writer. However, it could have been longer than that. Hope this helps.

Only a decietful, vengeful god who likes making people not believe in him would create the world the way YEC's depict. And I for one refuse to believe in such a childish god...

A god attempting to prove his might would make a huge tree with 3000 rings! He'd make one with none! There ARE ways to make things seem to appear (ask any magician) but there's no human way to make a 300 foot tree with no rings.

There's no way to lay down more than one seasonal varve.

Simple as that.

Cataclismic volcanic eruptions (how ******* often do you think these happen to take a supposedly "true" age of about 6000 and turn it into 3 MILLION?! Do you think there's 500 mt. St. Helens size eruptions every year?!)

Varves with floods, storms, volcanic eruptions, mudslides, etc do NOT have more layers! They have THICKER layers! A flood or a storm may deposit a lot of sedment, but it's still the same type of sediment already being layed down, so it all appears as one varve layer.

When you have to lie about reality to make your beliefs fit, you should seriously reconsider your beliefs...

The problem is, creationists think its the inerrant word of god.

Spugeon said: "Suppose that God made an enormous Sequoia tree right in front of you and asked you to date it for Him When you cut it down you count the rings and find that it has 3,000 rings. But you witnessed the creation of that tree so you know it can't be 3,000 years old. Right?"

But the point is that we have not seen a Sequoia tree created before our eyes. Thus we must always start from year zero. There were no human eyewitnesses at the time of Genesis (whereas in New Testament times some of the events depicted may well have been witnessed). The Young Earth creationist starts with the premise that the Genesis account is the inerrant word of God. Thus one must already believe in a particular interpretation of scripture. Certainly the scientist has to "interpret the layers" but Geological interpretation is open to verification and falsification. This is not true of Biblical interpretation, as we can not consult God for a ruling on what certain words mean. In fact, the notion of Biblical inerrancy is of recent origin. Historically, the Bible was interpreted via Church tradition.

As a world-renowned award-winning Creationist, let me in turn ask you a question:

Which would you rather believe, what you can readily observe with your own eyes, or the books of Moses?

Me, I think that layers were laid down by the Great Flood. Sometimes it wasn't raining as hard as at others, and during those moments, some of the sediment could settle.

Diamonds have carbon-14? That's a new one. I thought its half-life was somewhere around 6,000 years. Ah, I KNEW the cretinists were lying again! From Panda's thumb:

"Dr. Bertsche notes a number of inconvenient facts that undercut the arguments made by ICR’s advocates, including standard procedures within radiocarbon AMS work that were ignored or not followed properly, and indications from the RATE measurement results themselves whose obvious interpretation points to sample contamination. It is an elegant take-down of yet another antievolution argument whose pseudo-technical gloss is intended to impress rather than to inform."

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/carbon-k...

And to Chris, the Hebrew word in what became Genesis is "Yom", meaning a 24-hour day. Nothing more. Certainly not billions of years. Ask any Hebrew scholar or Jewish person about the Tanakh and they will back up my assertion.

I'm not a creationist, but I do know that you can't argue with them. Here's why.

I can easily refute your observations by simply saying that God created an earth with a history already imbedded. If he's capable of creating the universe and everything in it, surely he is capable of creating an earth that appears to have a history.

It's frustrating, but that's what happens when a person believes in something that doesn't adhere to logic and common sense. They can ALWAYS get out of your arguments with another argument that appears to make sense, but is derived from other fallacious premises.

"The first 6,000 or so layers are real, but GOD put the other million plus there to test our faith."

(Possible answer from a Young Earth Creationist?)

And I like the way you've posted the question. Engaging in a respectful dialogue may be the only viable way to reach the otherwise unreachable.

Laboratory tests and field experiments have shown that multiple layers can be and are formed rapidly in these.

In 1785, before examining the evidence, the deist James Hutton, ‘the Founder of Modern Geology’, proclaimed:

‘the past history of our globe must be explained by what can be seen to be happening now … No powers are to be employed that are not natural to the globe, no action to be admitted except those of which we know the principle’

This philosophy was expounded and popularized by the influential lawyer-geologist Charles Lyell in his book Principles of Geology (3 volumes, 1830–33), which greatly influenced Darwin. The historian and philosopher of science, William Whewell, coined the term uniformitarianism for this philosophy in an (anonymous) review of Lyell’s second volume (Quarterly Review XLVII(93):126, March 1832). Uniformitarianism is a not a refutation of Biblical teaching on Creation and the Flood, but a dogmatic refusal to consider them as even possible explanations for the rocks and fossils we observe.

This is an untenable position. We see catastrophic events shaping the earth today. It is true regular seasonal layers are rather consistant but it is also true many layers can be deposited "over night". This is evident at Mt. St. Helens and other places. So it is not the layers themselves that tell any particular story but it is the interpretation of those layers that tell a story. One who believes they are always slowly and methodically deposited will see great time. One who believes in catastrophy will see a short time. Layers, like fossils, don't speak for themselves, they must be interpreted.

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First of all thank you for the show of respect, it is the only way to avoid delving into ad hominems and such. I appreciate it.

I am a young Earth Creationist and am not afraid to admit it. I take the Word of God at face value for the simple reason that Jesus Christ rescued me from a life of sin and shame. He promised that He would in the Bible and when He transformed me all of the promises that He made to me in the Bible were either fulfilled or I was given a "down payment" as to the promise.

If God transformed my heart from one of stone into one of flesh and blood that loves Him and His Word, then it is not really that difficult for me to believe that He can make the earth, sun, moon and stars.

I used this example a few questions ago. Suppose that God made an enormous Sequoia tree right in front of you and asked you to date it for Him When you cut it down you count the rings and find that it has 3,000 rings. But you witnessed the creation of that tree so you know it can't be 3,000 years old. Right?

That is what you are experiencing right now with your varves. Now, I don't blame you for thinking that way and my hat is off to the people who deduced a way to count such things, but the faulty assumption is that everything started at a zero level.

God created the earth fully formed and all of it's animals fully formed. He created the stars that are millions of light years away yet are giving us there light even though we are only 6,000 years old. I know this sounds crazy to you, but you must remember that nothing is impossible for God.

Question for you: If you assume that diamonds are tens of millions of years old, how is it that they still have Carbon-14 in them?

benefit of the doubt? are you kidding me? do you seriously think that young earth creationists deserve the benefit of the doubt?

you need to knock some sense into them not give them the benefit of the doubt. they deserve nothing but ridicule.

they cast doubt on all dating methods they lie and twist the facts and continue to lie even more until the lie becomes truth in their simple minds.