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Can Obama's eligibility be legally established on Y/A ?

The obvious answer is no, it can not. I have been one that does not have doubt that he was born in Hawaii but have questioned his citizenship since he was registered in Indonesia and the registration shows his citizenship as that as an Indonesia.

The fact of the matter is that with all of our rants and ravings none of us can prove is eligibility and even those that have sued in our court systems have not been successful in getting their case heard. Even though many of us would like to know the truth it is unlikely that we will ever get the chance. Personally, for me, it would not bother me if he were legally qualified but since this is such an issue I would like to know one way or the other.

Obama has the ability to release his college records but for some reason does not so the suspicions grow.

In the mean time I have been following one of he users on this forum that uses the name jason b. I have followed some of Jason's questions about this and have endured him calling me names and his promises to kiss my azz and even sending me all of his possessions for the rest of his life. These promises were based on a trial that was supposed to start in January 2010, however the judge, like many before him, dismissed all of the charges at the end of October and is considering a motion to reconsider. He is not likely to reverse himself.

The only way, without an actual trial, would have reason to believe that Obama is not legally qualified would be if he announces that he will not seek re-election. That would not be absolute proof but would be a strong indicator that he would feel unable to withstand the scrutiny that would come with another campaign.

I have decided to just wait it out and see what happens.

Your thoughts ?

Update:

Kisses,

looks like you missed the point of my question. I already said that Y/A could not establish his legality.

But since you brought it up there are legal arguments that state that having his mother put citizenship as Indonesia would prove that there was no intention of moving back to the US. There are argument that also say that a minor can not give up his citizenship and can not be forced to give it up.

Update 2:

Just bought a tiddy bear.

I suppose that you didn't see my statement regarding where I think Obama was born either.

Just for arguments sake though. The laws in effect when Obama was born (had he been born in Kenya) is that the person whom transfers citizenship, his mother, has to have been a citizen for 10 consecutive years, 5 of which must be after their 14th birthday.

I really do not understand why the democrats can not read an entire question and just jump to conclusions.

Update 3:

eldelfinalegre:

The college records could show if Obama ever registered as a foreign student. Primarily though it would end all of the suspicions.

You as well seem to think that I am still in the mode of questioning Obama's legality, when in fact I have stated that I will wait and see what happens.

Oh and I am not wasting Oxygen, maybe a little disk space.

I am going to say one more time we can *NOT* determine Obama's legality here on Y/A, all we can do is to wait and see what happens, even then we might never know.

Let me re-word that, those that doubt his legality may never know.

Update 4:

George,

Did you not see where I said that I believe Obama was born in Hawaii ? You should however point to the COLB on a different site because if I had a web site that showed I was 1500 AD would you believe it. I am saying that using the web site of the person that they are already suspicious of is not an example of something that can be trusted.

Update 5:

Outlawcajun

Exactly my point, if they can't do it how can we do it. Simple we can't. Thanks for actually taking the time to read the question

Update 6:

don't argue with me:

Positively true. If Obama does decide to run, it would most likely be that he can stand up to the scrutiny. I do not even want to imagine what would happen if they found out that Obama was not qualified. I know that the entire 2008 presidential election would be invalid and both Obama and Biden would be removed from office.

The house would select a person to act as president until a new election could be held.

My biggest fear is that they would select Nancy Pelosi and then she would name Harry Reid as the VP. Personally I would rather deal with Obama/Biden than those 2 idiots.

Update 7:

@kisses:

I have neglected to mention that Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship meaning that Obama was either a US citizen or an Indonesian citizen. We can not decide that here.

Update 8:

Mike:

Congratulations on being the first obvious democrat to read the question. I tend to agree with you in regards to Obama running in 2012.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
    Favorite Answer

    At this point, It really does not matter.

    If you think that is an interesting discussion to have, then go ahead and have the discussion.

    If you do not think that is an interesting discussion to have, then do not have the discussion.

    By 2012 Obama will have about as much chance of being reelected that Lyndon Johnson had in 1968.

    Lyndon Johnson chose not to run again rather than be humiliated in a loss by a huge margin.

    I doubt that Obama will run for a second term.

    At this point it would take several years to litigate the issue whether or not Obama is a Citizen of the United States of America.

    By the time you finished litigating The Issue, Obama will already be out of office.

    Source(s): 1. Hillary Clinton in 2012. P.U.M.A. 2. Barack Obama 2012 = Lyndon Johnson 1968(squared)
  • 1 decade ago

    Yahoo answers will never be able to prove anything. You are correct it doesn't do any good to yell at each other both sides will always say that they are right and the other side is wrong.

    I hope obama runs again and then is forced to prove that he is legal or not, he kept saying that he was going to be so open and accessible.

    Alota people here keep using the constitution, isn't that what we are trying to find out? is he really qualified under the constitution. Just because these people say he is does not prove he is and now i hear he is being sued because he wasn't even supposed to be a us senator.

    I guess I will have to wait like you but what happens if they did find out he wasn't legal

  • 1 decade ago

    It really is a mute issue at this point. The US Constitution states: No person except a natural born Citizen, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.

    According to citizenship laws in the US: If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the US citizen parent has been "physically present" in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.

    So even if Obama was unable to produce a birth certificate from Hawaii, he would still be a US citizen because his mother meets the above requirements.

  • 5 years ago

    it rather is getting ridiculous. Why can no longer a choose basically rigidity the launch of his beginning certificiates and get it over with? plenty money is being wasted on courtroom hearings for this.

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  • 1 decade ago

    This is so dumb as it has been proven over and over again that he was born in Hawaii and is a citizen of the United States and I get so tired of hearing this. It amazes me how so many people are goofy enough to keep bringing it up. Give it up ok? Obama is definately right about one thing..we need people in this country to get more educated. We need to spend more time worrying about ourselves and not him. This is so funny to me that we waste our time on things like this. I think anyone who spends time trying to say he is not a citizen needs to go back to school. One to learn something and the other is to have some manners and respect.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    No. In fact, I doubt that anyone will be able to establish whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya.

    Once again, it is a fact that Obama's original, Hawaiian birth certificate has never been seen by anyone, except possibly Dr. Fukino of the State of hawaii health Department or so she says. The Huffington Post and Politico . com have inferred that the staffers of Fact chek .org have seen Obama's BC, touched it, examined it and photographed the original certifcate. That simply is not the case . Experts have already proven that it is a phony, probably a forged copy of his .sister's BC. The one on Fact Chek . org online is typical of one of someone born years after Obama.

    Many court cases have been brought up where the judges has thrown it out. The most recent case was supposed to start in January 2010. As usual, the judge dismissed all of the charges in the end of October, stating that he may consider a motion to reconsider. That will never happen.

    Without a trial and an order from the judge making Obama produce his original birth certificate, we will never know. I agree if Obama does not run for re-election that would be an indication that he is not a citizen of the USA, but is not positive proof.

    What FactCheck.org has displayed online is a laser produced print out from a computer database. These so called journalists either do not understand or are simply lying to the public, claiming a print-out is a copy. Why?....is the question?.... What?... is the answer.

    Birther is a made up terminology that these journalists have invented to discourage people who make legitimate questions regarding Obama's claim to be born in the USA and a natural born citizen, both requirements to be the president of the USA. There is something very strange in Obama's refusal to show his original BC. Now, I am not claiming that he wasn't born here, but rather that he is hiding something. Why spend millions of dollars to hide his information, when all he need do is put in a call or write a letter to Fukino in Hawaii, asking her to release it.

    Andy Martin, a lawyer suing officials in Hawaiian courts for Obama's "ribbon" copy of Obama's 1961 BC Back in the olden days, up until the early 60's, typewriters used ribbons to make impressions on paper. The ribbon copy of a document is one which the typewriter ribbon actually touched.

    To date many lawyers in many different states have sued Obama to release his ribbon copy of his birth certificate. Andy martin is currently a candidate, running in Chicago to become their U. S. Senator.

    While Andy Martin has found no evidence to prove that Obama was not born in Hawaii, it is important to know that the phony laser-printed BC on Fact Chek . org contains far less birth information than the original typewritten 1961 certificate. Again, no one has seen the original, except possibly Fukino.

    What is Obama trying to hide? Why doesn't he release his 1961 original ribbon copy? That would be a small step for Obama to take, but it would be a major step in proving that he is a natural born US citizen. His decision not to release it simply fuels the fires. causing rumors and doubts. Unfortunately, Obama's reputation for becoming The Biggest Liar, also raises more questions and more suspicions.

    Is Obama ashamed of something that appears on the ribbon copy of his birth certificate or will it prove that he never should have been allowed to run for the presidency? Yahoo Answers simply does not have the answers. Obama has refused us access to his school transcripts. Why? What is he hiding?

    Source(s): Sorry to the one that responded that his birth certificate has been shown over and over again. . All they've put online is a "certification of live birth" (COLB), which the State of Hawaii doesn't even accept as valid proof of actual birth in Hawaii! The simple fact is that several experts have declared the posted document, which doesn't even list the hospital of birth or the attending physician, to be a fake!. Please do some research instead of listening to gossip. My source is research. Once again, I am not saying that Obama was not born here, but he is hiding something and that does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
  • 1 decade ago

    You can't get the case heard because there's no case to be heard.

    The 14th ammendment clearly spells out that any person born on American soil is a naturalized American citizen. Last I checked, Hawaii was a state of the USA at the time Obama was born there. Ergo, US citizen.

    If I were a judge and you came to me with your argument, I would throw your case out as being irrelevant and kick you out of my courtroom as being a waster of taxpayer's $. Why do you cons insist on wasting oxygen on this topic?

    And what do college records have to do with citizenship? Nada.

  • Sam
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Only to the people without a mental block.

  • 1 decade ago

    Republicans, (rolls eyes)

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