Bulldog vs American Bully styled Pitbulls?

To me if a dog(well bred or poorly bred) cannot breathe properly, whelp properly or do the job which it was bred to do anymore then it should not be bred and needs to go extinct!

The bulldog now and 50 years ago are two completely different breeds! And for the worse!

My fellow pit bull enthusiasts and I absolutely loathe the American Bully fad for a few reasons:

1. Too many people try to pass them off as actual American Pit Bull Terriers or in some cases even as AST's or SBT's - I've seen it!

2. They are breeding for looks and not soundness or health. It's all about the color (usually blue or red), gigantic heads, freakishly thick necks (or no necks), thick/pudgy/waddly/bowlegged nonsense.

3. They are ONLY bred by BYB's and puppy mills.

4. Calling them pit bulls only further complicates the public's ability to correctly identify a real pit bull. Hence misidentification in attacks and such.

They're just altogether not a good thing at all.

LEGIT: I think Bulldogs are tolerated because A. They've been around a MUCH longer time (I have socks older than the American Bully "breed"), B. They're absolutely delightful dogs, C. There are actual reputable breeders out there doing the Bulldawg thang, D. They're adorable and people love Bulldogs, no matter how you slice it. I think the real problem is the BYB's and puppy mills (as usual) that crank out sickly and deformed Bulldogs in the name of an almighty buck.

EDIT: @Lioness - LOL! Pitopotamus! I'm SO stealing that from you. Oh, and he wasn't referring to American Bulldogs. He's talking about American Bullies. But the picture you posted of the brindle patch dog IS a great example of an American Bulldog.

Bully Bulldog

I was actually thinking about this.

The difference is a bulldog is a real breed where the this so called american bully is a scam mutt just like "cockapoos or labradoodles" its just another stylish dog with no breed standard that is badly bred for looks.

The bulldog is a real breed and has been for quite sometime. The american bully is not, it was made up by BYBs for a "cool" looking dog. Ambullies were mixed with a lot more breed besides just bulldog and they do not yet have a breed standard as some of these dogs do not breed true just like all the other designer mutts.

If you were to talk with reputable bulldog breeders I am sure they can fill you in about health problems. Good bulldog breeders geneticly test for health issues and don't breed a unhealthy dog. Its true the breed can have many health problems, but good breeders are doing everything they can do breed them out. BYBs who produce ambullies for nothing more than head size and money do not health test. They do not care about the health of there dogs as long as they get that $3000 per pup.

To me looking at the difference between them the ambully seems like it would have a lot more health problems than the bulldog and more if they are not health tested.

Like I said these dogs have no standard so all of them are a bit different.

http://www.freewebs.com/legendarybulldog/sol_boy.j...

http://www.egyptianbluebullies.com/images/kanetrop...

http://www.bull-city.com/dogs/DIAMOND-1.jpg

Bulldogs:

http://englishbulldogs.ca/adoreabull/images/girls2...

The ambully does not even look like it could walk correctly.

Legit: To you it might be grotesque, but a lot of people really like this breed because it might fit there life style better than a working dog. There is nothing wrong with low energy breeds even if they are just for a pet now days. Ambullies are produced by nothing by BYBs.

EDIT: That registry site posted is nothing but a bunch of crap. Designer breeds like yorkiepoos have a registry too! That does NOT make them a real breed! I agree with corgi what pisses me off is that they are being sold under the APBTs name. Give me a fricken break those crap bred dogs could not stand a chance in anything against a true APBT.

Ah but Curtis even the monkey pawed mini hippos have their own KC and standards now. Not that you can actually read anything clearly on their jacked up site. http://abkcdogs.org/ American, Pocket and XL bullies *gag*

And yes in some part that is why not to mention Bulldogs are an established and respected breed.

Bulldogs have their issues thanks to bad breeding and breeding based on what pop culture wants.

And the way some bullies are they are going to be having the SAME troubles soon enough.

And I am not fine with the average Bulldog. Simply because I have seen growing up what has gone from a short healthy breed to an short fat asthmatic breed.

Rouge: I know its full of crap. I was just pointing it out. And yes people need to stop calling them APBTs many have but some owners and idiot breeders still do.

What is the true difference between a good and bad Bulldog? (I'm talking purebreds here, not mixes)

I can plainly see the difference between a real APBT and the Pit-a-potamuses, but I don't know what the difference is in the Bulldog that makes them so different - good or bad. I'm just not very familiar with the breed.

Can anybody post links that show this?

I'm with some others - the American Bulldog can be whatever they want it to be, but call it what it is, not an APBT.

THIS is what I think of when I hear American Bulldog: http://www.bulldogsale.net/pictures/american-bulld...

I have never heard anybody with a dog like this try to pass it off as a Pit Bull - I have always heard them referred to as American Bulldogs. (I realize that is not technically a recognized breed, but that's what I hear them called)

I don't even know what to call this, other than pit-a-potamus.

http://www.steelcityblueskennels.com/Gotti2.gif

It's sure as hell not an APBT.

I have no issue with the American Bully breeders breeding whatever the heck they like - as long as they don't call it an APBT.

Your complaint regarding the Bulldogs and the fact some are not bred to breed naturally is no different than if I complained about GSDs grotesque physiques (look in the show ring) and structural deformities. Not all Bulldog breeders are producing bad dogs and neither are all GSD breeders. Lumping all breeders together doesn't give any credit to those who are doing a good job.

Legit: No. I don't think it has anything to do with standards. I think the lack of tolerance for the Mini Hippos is the fact that many of the breeders call them something they are not.

Edit: I get your point Curtis, and see the value in it. My concern is really more that I have an issue with purposefully breeding mutts for no real good reason. As far as straight legs are concerned --- I once showed a PBGV - the handler got sick and I had to take over at the last minute. The wee FAST gaiting little doggie and I did just fine until I put him up on the table and couldn't figure out how to get his toes to quit pointing easty westy. Come to find out - they're SUPPOSED to do that! He won his class, won Winner's Dog and a major - during the photo the judge said "Yanno, you nearly blew it for that dog futzing on the table with him." (Thank heavens I just trusted the breeder knew what they were doing and simply PRESENTED the dog). Fast, strong, short, fiddlefronted dog.... structurally exactly what the breed is supposed to be. Perfect for running hare (as opposed to bunnies that Bassets run).

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Bulldog vs American Bully styled Pitbulls?

A lot of people seem to have issue with these "American Bully" styled pitbulls. They call them "Mini-Hippos"...in some instances? I AGREE! But the issue I want to ask about are Bulldogs. How come the same people who call Am Bully's "Mini Hippos" are fine with...

When bred correctly, they are not "pudgy asthmatic animals". Look at Choas' bulldogs.

LEGIT: Again... they are not mutants with grotesque physique when bred correctly. When bred incorrectly? Sure. but so is ANY breed, not just bulldogs. Just hits them harder because they are brachycephalic and realatively squat dogs.

And now on to the "american bully" AKA a hippo in disguise.

The BIGGEST problem I have with these beasts is the fact people are selling them as "APBTs". I would NOT have as big an issue with them if they weren't pawning THIS

http://images02.olx.com/ui/2/69/46/25266346_1.jpg

for this.

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/files/1/6/8/9/...

Sorry Curtis but I beg to differ. My bullies could run circles around those sorry excuses for a dog. I kindly beg you not to compare bulldogs to those grotesque monstrosities being pawned off for APBT, again.

It is the american bully that has a grotesque physique not the bulldog. American bullies barely look like they can walk let alone run. They are so out of proportion its sickening. I breed along with every reputable bulldog breeder I know breeds for health and stamina. My dogs are not going to keel over if they run. I have more than two and a half acres and my bulldogs run around the whole perimeter of the yard. I know people who have much more acres then I do and there bullies do the same.

Pudgy asthmatic animal? Hmm I only have two cobby dogs yet they could still run circles around those am bullies, none of my dogs are asthmatic.

How can a dog that is so deep chested almost to the point it touches the ground and lots do, pigeon toed, down in the pasterns, overly bow legged, dipped topline, overly muscled head, etc be healthier than a well bred, well proportioned, not overly done bulldog?

Its not simply because the bulldog is akc/kc/etc registrable, it is because am bullies are mutts being passed off as true apbt.

Edit- Also my bulldogs can keep up with my weims just fine, till my weims start to do those zoomies as people call them, then my bulldogs sit back and watch the weims act stupid, lol.

When i did bird training with my weim puppies I had my oldest bulldog out with me, she found the bird way before the pups did.

Asthetics... they're bred to look the way they do, not because they are healthier or have fewer problems. I have an issue with people breeding for looks alone, and despite what people say, when you breed two types of dog and get a cross, you give that dog both sides of the breeds medical history. They may have better breathing than a bulldog, but as stated, its worse than a pits - they'll also be twice as likely to get skin problems which are common to both breeds as well as sight problems and hip problems.